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    Default engine swap for 2.1 caravelle

    what engine is the best to replace the 2.1 engine, i have replaced the 2.1 with a Ford v6 but not happy with fuel consumption among other problems want to take the v6 out again and replace with something else, was much happier with the 2.1 but head bolts corroded off

    what are the 4y motors like that Autozone sell are they reliable, I believe that they are not the genuine Toyota motors

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    I have a 2.6 audi 5 cyl motor in my '89 Syncro which makes it still "standard" even though consumption at 130 kph or with the roofrack on is not so good either. Other popular engine replacements come from Subaro (flat 4 or 6) or even the 2.6 or 2.8 Audi V6 motors. Some SyncroSA group members swear by the Toyota 3CT turbo diesel motor but then you are limited in other ways such as cruising speed.

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    I saw a combi with a Rover V8 motor. What a beaut. It ran like a treat.
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    Recently saw a Syncro with a Lexus V8 hanging out it's arse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thabogrobler View Post
    Recently saw a Syncro with a Lexus V8 hanging out it's arse!
    That is not a Kombi with a V8. It's a V8 with a Kombi!!!

    My Father-in-law in Gansbaai had the 2.1i in his Syncro and decided on the 2.6i Audi conversion a couple of years ago. What a gemors and an empty wallet after that. After about two years of grinning and bearing with the Kombi he decided to have the Toyota 2.2 4Y conversion done late last year in Hermanus. What a difference! Drives like a dream. Light on fuel and enough oomph in the sand.
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    Wink Caravelle engine swap

    Kombi's don't like too much power on thier gearboxes(what is the only problem the 2.6 kombi suffers from?)
    Go for a simple conversion- no adaptor plates etc.
    The nicest one i ever saw was a 2.1 syncro with the 4cyl VW Jetta motor in.
    It was the 1800 block and had a golf 16v head on.
    Awesome, pulled like a train, simple, easy parts availability..KISS
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    Come to think of it, how about a 1.9TDI? Same bellhousing as the 1800..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    Come to think of it, how about a 1.9TDI? Same bellhousing as the 1800..
    Oh Henry,

    That can be a sweet thing! Just pop a mo&rse intercooler in....The stuff dreams are made from...

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    One of the nicest ones I seen was the old Chev 2.5 conversion... Good low down torque and good on fuel. Unfortunately good examples are very scarce....

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    In the 90's there were a few guys that tossed out the VW gearbox, installed a Audi 5 speed and mated that with any decent engine, eg 350 Chevy, etc. Handling also was quite good, since it has a mid mounted engine now...

    BUT the baby we're talking about in this thread, is a Syncro...pity!

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    And Mr Chevy38 has vanished like scotch mist.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    And Mr Chevy38 has vanished like scotch mist.......
    Maybe he is contemplating with some Scotch...

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    In my searches for a replacement engine to my syncro camper I was also recomended the 2,0L Jetta motor.
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    The last of the combi's acctually came out with that 1800 motor. The only diff is that it sits a lot more upright.

    So there are a couple of diffs.
    Inlet manifold
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    Slabfish
    Ive also heard about the 2L Golf/Jetta motor conversion but here we go back to electronics fuel injection etc.. not my favorite
    the V6 pushes it easy to 140km in 5th with still more but dont want to run it there, fuel consumption 5km/L town driving, its got a clutch shudder when pulling of in first, and I cant find what is causing it

    Hennie
    is your father-in-law happy with the 4Y is he running adapter plate our did the change the bellhousing, does he have the 4 or 5 speed box

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    For value for money the 3c toy or the 2.2 toy and if you want a nice conversion fit the Saburu motor with a dictator system cost i would say 20 g

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    I saw a combi with a Rover V8 motor. What a beaut. It ran like a treat.
    Henris,i know offtopic , but explain how a treat runs
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    chevy38, I spoke to a guy in PE that does a lot of the 4Y conversions, he says the people are happy with the performance etc. On one of my previous threads I think it was discussed that the 4Y Midas motor is a bit underpowered .I suppose it`s a matter of priority, for power I would personally like a 2.6 Audi with the high compression pistons,I believe it`s a rocket ! But then ,I don`t need speed and would like the same low-end torque as my 2.1 water cooled (mine is the Oettinger), so if the time comes for my Syncro to have a transplant I might just go for the 3CT toy, I like the fuelconsumption,around 7.5km/l compared to my 5km/l and then I won`t have to worry if I have to drive through a deep puddle. At this stage I am very happy with the standard Oettinger ,it`s a very sweet motor-smooth and quiet and torquey(spelling?).Hope you find the answer to your searches and keep us posted.
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    Slabfish
    one of my problems is the fact that even the V6 doesnt have the same low down torque as what the 2.1 had I have also been toying with the idea of stripping the 2.1 motor down(tossed in the corner in garage) and trying to have the head stud drilled and replaced, dont know if do-able though, but have been told parts are scarce and expensive for these motors

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    I replaced my 2.1 with a 2.5 Oettinger and the difference is unbelievable.
    There are many 2.1 engine available that are still good wrt the head studs. VEC in Edenvale can also help you with any Oettinger motors.

    Another option is a VW 1.9TDi engine but without the electronics and a mechanical diesel pump. Very reliable and plenty of grunt and good fuel economy. Stuart from Syncro Hospital in Pretoria does these conversions.

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