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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    i agree fully with what you are saying, i am saying a cruiser will never be a raptor, there is almost nothing to do to a raptor and cruiser is a blank canvass and a endless money pit.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    A wise 4x4 guru once said to me: you can have great articulation or you can carry heavy loads, but you can't do both.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Quote Originally Posted by peter bee View Post
    cruiser is a blank canvass and a endless money pit.
    This is so true that it hurts a little...

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    A wise 4x4 guru once said to me: you can have great articulation or you can carry heavy loads, but you can't do both.
    Your wise 4x4 guru is wrong.

    Have you ever seen big machinery articulating with massive loads?

    Here is an example of a 71ton gross truck showing some impressive articulation.



    Suspension flex is a rather basic motion. If your springs are matched to your load and your centre of gravity is not too high then your suspension will move.

    It is somewhat true of a thick leaf pack, but mostly due to overly stiff springs.

    That is the main reason I didn't install the OME springs.
    Their softest springs are 50% stiffer than stock. And I had to calculate this by measuring the springs because you can not find any spring rates in their documentation.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Aha, there is a proviso that I didn't add." You can throw money at the problem till you achieve your compromise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Aha, there is a proviso that I didn't add." You can throw money at the problem till you achieve your compromise."
    I'll be honest, I'm not sure what your point is.

    Yes, my car is a compromise. I have said this much already. But then again, I can't think of a single car that doesn't compromise anything.

    So, just buying a car, any car, is throwing money at a compromise...

    Again, your logic escapes me.
    How about you use your own words and articulate your thoughts instead of irrelevant quotes.

    Please don't read this as me being upset, I am not. I'm actually laughing as I write this. I just don't understand what you are trying to convey.

    Unless you were just trying to state the obvious with the so called 'quote'. Then more power to you.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    I'll respond on a PC in the AM.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Iím a great believer in quality suspension. Iíve thrown a huge amount of money at my off-road bikes suspension. I see a set of these shocks in my Hiluxís future. Thanks for the write up and updates.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone101 View Post
    This is so true that it hurts a little...
    Your wise 4x4 guru is wrong.

    Have you ever seen big machinery articulating with massive loads?
    Dont think that guru had such a vehicle in mind.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    jelo

    this is one debate with way to many experts, not sure how a custom ...... never mind.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Right, so here is my opinion:

    Throwing R80k out for better adjustable shocks while using a standard set of springs is not going to get you the full experience you seem to require or claim you have experienced.

    As you said yourself:

    "If your springs are matched to your load then your suspension will move."

    As far as I am aware, your 79 was built to carry a load, hence the springs are rated for that load?
    How do shocks (apart from the issue about extended and compressed length) help the spring rate and improve articulation?
    How did you do that without a set of variable rate springs?

    Claiming that your very expensive shocks alone have helped your articulation sounds like confirmation bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Right, so here is my opinion:

    Throwing R80k out for better adjustable shocks while using a standard set of springs is not going to get you the full experience you seem to require or claim you have experienced.

    As you said yourself:

    "If your springs are matched to your load then your suspension will move."

    As far as I am aware, your 79 was built to carry a load, hence the springs are rated for that load?
    How do shocks (apart from the issue about extended and compressed length) help the spring rate and improve articulation?
    How did you do that without a set of variable rate springs?

    Claiming that your very expensive shocks alone have helped your articulation sounds like confirmation bias.
    You are absolutely right. Shocks will not improve articulation unless your shocks prior to the new fitment were too long or too short, but then they would not have lasted long in any case.

    Better shocks help with better dampening, and wheel bump control, keeping the wheels still and controlled helps for traction and comfort, and will help make your vehicle safer to operate in extreme and difficult conditions.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    On a 70 Series Cruiser longer shocks will give you more travel on the front suspension. The shock is the limit of downwards drop out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    On a 70 Series Cruiser longer shocks will give you more travel on the front suspension. The shock is the limit of downwards drop out.
    So they downward bumpstop on the shock

    Wow, did not know that
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    On a 70 Series Cruiser longer shocks will give you more travel on the front suspension. The shock is the limit of downwards drop out.
    That can't be good. No limiting straps?
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Amarok is the same. Not trying to compare the 2 vehicles, but the Cruiser isn't the only vehicle using the shocks as downward stop.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Friend has a set on his touring set up LS3 powered 110 Defender.

    Difference is like night and day.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Friend has a set on his touring set up LS3 powered 110 Defender.

    Difference is like night and day.
    I'd say with the correct coil spring set it must be awesome.

    I started playing with adjustable compression and rebound shocks MANY years ago. They have been available on most high end off-road bikes for over 20 years. So I have a very good idea of how they work. The first versions only had internal valving for either rebound or compression damping using various valve plates, and then we would also play with oil weights using blends of 5W, 10W and 15W shock oil.

    Thankfully, the clever guys doing R&D figured out how to make the adjustment external. Nowadays you just turn a dial for either setting.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    The only thing that put me off buying a 70 series Landcruiser is the ride quality, I spend 90% of my over landing journey on reasonably decent roads and see no reason to make the journey a sufferfest for the sake of a bit more capability when I get there. So to the OP I'm actually enjoying your feedback and especially the comparisons to the Raptor, if outcome makes sense who knows I might just sell the Fortuner and buy the Landcruiser.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    i have a 2000 Colt 2.8 Rodeo 4x4, a 2007 Cruiser 79 s/c and a 2019 Fortuner. Colt has TJM torsion bars in the front, an extra blade on the standard rear and Monroe shocks. Cruiser has a full
    Dobinsons heavy duty suspension (10 leaf springs in the rear), Dobinsons shocks and Firestone Ride Rite airbags in the rear. Fortuner is standard. Fully loaded the Cruiser weighs in at almost
    4 ton with me and my wife. Ride of the Cruiser is far superior to the Colt and the poor Fortuner cannot handle much weight so it is not good as an overland vehicle. See pictures higher up of flex
    on Cruiser, not bad for a vehicle that can handle 4 ton.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 79 OME BP51 Suspension Review

    I think the 70 series front suspension travel is limited, by its design, no matter what coils and shocks you put in.
    It will never have the flex of say a Patrol SFA or a Jeep

    That control arm design and the positioning of the sway bar, makes it near impossible to flex lekker.
    To achieve comparable flex you will need to change the suspension dramatically.
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