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    Default License and towing a caravan

    Hi Guys, this may have been discussed previousely but I just want to get clarity.

    I have a code B license, so what i want to know is the following.

    Am I able to tow a caravan of 595kg lawfully with my license? As it falls under the 750kg as stated on the internet for code B licenses, or am i only allowed to tow my caravan with a EB license regardless of the weight?

    Your help will be greatly appreciatted, as this will mean i have to sell my caravan if not permittet😕 and look for a camping trailer instead

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    Your B license is fine for towing something with a GVM under 750kg.
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    Change your licence, it's cheaper.
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    The important factor is weight. Remember its Gross Vehicle Mass (gvm). That means the vehicle/trailer/caravan plus load. That means your loaded caravan must be 750kg or less.
    Lots of people don't understand this and erroneously think they can drive an empty 26t truck with a C1 or EC1 lisense.
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    Thanks for the replies guys. So as far as i am concerned i am legal.

    Think i should just find out what my insurance companies guidelines are regarding this subject. Dont want to have something happen and then have them saying im not covered.

    Thanks again for all the feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steed5lh View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys. So as far as i am concerned i am legal.

    Think i should just find out what my insurance companies guidelines are regarding this subject. Dont want to have something happen and then have them saying im not covered.

    Thanks again for all the feedback

    is that the TARA weight or the GVM?

    some vans are kg650 tara, but kg1600 GVM = EB licence
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    Hi Steed

    Sorry I dont want to hack the thread but have a relevant question.

    Is there a combined weight limit for a certain licence?
    For instance if the tow vehicle is 3000kg but not a truck and the trailer is a braked 3500kg, within the vehicles legal towing capacity. Surely this is out of EB and more EC1?
    It comes to a heavy combined weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildkyker View Post
    Hi Steed

    Sorry I dont want to hack the thread but have a relevant question.

    Is there a combined weight limit for a certain licence?
    For instance if the tow vehicle is 3000kg but not a truck and the trailer is a braked 3500kg, within the vehicles legal towing capacity. Surely this is out of EB and more EC1?
    It comes to a heavy combined weight.
    Both an EB and a B license allows you to drive a vehicle of 3500 kg or less. The only difference is what you may tow.

    B license = less than 750 kg GVM.
    EB license = more than 750 kg GVM (but also less than 750 kg obviously)

    The GCM limit of less than 3500 kg for an EB license is applicable to articulated vehicles, as far as I understand.

    But the combination of vehicle and trailer must fall with the manufacturer's limits and GCM. For instance the Fortuner has a GVM of 2750 kg and may legally tow up to 3000 kg, thus a GCM for the combination of 5750 kg. These weights are normally stamped on a plate fixed to a door pilar. So if I hook up something of more than 3000 kg, or exceed the GCM of 5750 kg set by Toyota in any other way, I am not legal. No matter what license I hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lekhubu943 View Post
    Both an EB and a B license allows you to drive a vehicle of 3500 kg or less. The only difference is what you may tow.

    B license = less than 750 kg GVM.
    EB license = more than 750 kg GVM (but also less than 750 kg obviously)

    The GCM limit of less than 3500 kg for an EB license is applicable to articulated vehicles, as far as I understand.

    But the combination of vehicle and trailer must fall with the manufacturer's limits and GCM. For instance the Fortuner has a GVM of 2750 kg and may legally tow up to 3000 kg, thus a GCM for the combination of 5750 kg. These weights are normally stamped on a plate fixed to a door pilar. So if I hook up something of more than 3000 kg, or exceed the GCM of 5750 kg set by Toyota in any other way, I am not legal. No matter what license I hold.
    Correct, however RSA law dictates that regardless of what the manufacturer allows, you aren't allowed to tow something heavier than the tarra of the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    Correct, however RSA law dictates that regardless of what the manufacturer allows, you aren't allowed to tow something heavier than the tarra of the vehicle.
    Unless the trailer is equipped with service brakes. Then you can tow heavier.

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    Guys just want to share the bad news with you.

    I just got the message from my insurance broker who found out for me regarding claims should i be in an accident with code B license towing my caravan.

    Having a code B, i cannot tow my carravan regardless of the tarra or gross weight, i am only allowed to tow a trailer. Caravan falls under EB. So, should i be in an accident with my caravan, the claim will be rejected due to me not having the correct license for towing a "caravan"😡😡😡

    Anyone wanna buy a caravan or swop for a camping trailer?🤣🤣😭😭😭

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    May as well do the EC1 then.
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    The Gypsey Lite is the only caravan you can tow with a B license.Click image for larger version. 

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    lekhubu in South Africa you are not allowed to tow more than the Tare mass of your vehicle. in the case of the Fortuner it is in the order of 2150 kg.

    So the legal GCM for the Fortuner is 2750 plus the 2150 which is 4900kg. You will be 850 kg overloaded at 5750 kg.

    Quote Originally Posted by lekhubu943 View Post
    Both an EB and a B license allows you to drive a vehicle of 3500 kg or less. The only difference is what you may tow.

    B license = less than 750 kg GVM.
    EB license = more than 750 kg GVM (but also less than 750 kg obviously)

    The GCM limit of less than 3500 kg for an EB license is applicable to articulated vehicles, as far as I understand.

    But the combination of vehicle and trailer must fall with the manufacturer's limits and GCM. For instance the Fortuner has a GVM of 2750 kg and may legally tow up to 3000 kg, thus a GCM for the combination of 5750 kg. These weights are normally stamped on a plate fixed to a door pilar. So if I hook up something of more than 3000 kg, or exceed the GCM of 5750 kg set by Toyota in any other way, I am not legal. No matter what license I hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom13 View Post
    lekhubu in South Africa you are not allowed to tow more than the Tare mass of your vehicle. in the case of the Fortuner it is in the order of 2150 kg..
    Unless the trailer have service brakes. Got it thanks.

    I would not want to tow more than that with a Fortuner anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom13 View Post
    The Gypsey Lite is the only caravan you can tow with a B license.Click image for larger version. 

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    As long as the tare of the towing vehicle exceeds 1500kg

    With my '97 Hilux I cannot tow a 750kg unbraked trailer as tare is 1425kg. But I can happily tow a 1t loaded (1370kg) braked trailer as this is below tare of vehicle. Go figure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiceman View Post
    The important factor is weight. Remember its Gross Vehicle Mass (gvm). That means the vehicle/trailer/caravan plus load. That means your loaded caravan must be 750kg or less.
    Lots of people don't understand this and erroneously think they can drive an empty 26t truck with a C1 or EC1 lisense.
    Not so, it's only the trailer/caravan plus load that applies in this case, not the entire vehicle.


    Category B (a): A light motor vehicle (not articulated) which may tow a trailer up to 750kg GVM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildkyker View Post
    Hi Steed

    Sorry I dont want to hack the thread but have a relevant question.

    Is there a combined weight limit for a certain licence?
    For instance if the tow vehicle is 3000kg but not a truck and the trailer is a braked 3500kg, within the vehicles legal towing capacity. Surely this is out of EB and more EC1?
    It comes to a heavy combined weight.

    Thanx
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    Not so, it's only the trailer/caravan plus load that applies in this case, not the entire vehicle.


    Category B (a): A light motor vehicle (not articulated) which may tow a trailer up to 750kg GVM
    What I meant in that sentence was whatever you are towing: a vehicle or trailer or caravan (a trailer or caravan is a vehicle too). A-framing a beach buggy count also in my argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    As long as the tare of the towing vehicle exceeds 1500kg

    With my '97 Hilux I cannot tow a 750kg unbraked trailer as tare is 1425kg. But I can happily tow a 1t loaded (1370kg) braked trailer as this is below tare of vehicle. Go figure
    You are correct with the unbraked trailer and the 1500kg vehicle tare.

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    That Gypsy Lite has a braked axle.

    You can tow it with a VW Up weighing in at 818kg .

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