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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    I agree. There are quite a couple of 3.0 v6 TD engines around that make that kind of power. And are very light on diesel.

    My concern is the low down grunt, and the sustained high power demands. Hauling a heavy trailer, up a long hill.
    That is the reason for multi speed gearboxes like the 10 speed in the 300. It keeps the 3.3 V6 in a happy range all the time.
    Connected to a manual box you will miss the low down grunt of a large capacity engine. I am afraid we will see very few vehicles with
    manual gearboxes in the future. Seems that there are even auto boxes in the lineup for the new 70 Series Land Cruiser.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    That is the reason for multi speed gearboxes like the 10 speed in the 300. It keeps the 3.3 V6 in a happy range all the time.
    Connected to a manual box you will miss the low down grunt of a large capacity engine. I am afraid we will see very few vehicles with
    manual gearboxes in the future. Seems that there are even auto boxes in the lineup for the new 70 Series Land Cruiser.
    Problem is that these sustained heavy loads, cook the hydraulic oil. Case in point, the Ranger gearboxes. Now double that load and hold thumbs it lasts?
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    Problem is that these sustained heavy loads, cook the hydraulic oil. Case in point, the Ranger gearboxes. Now double that load and hold thumbs it lasts?
    Most heavy haulers like American Full Size trucks have auto boxes and they can do 9000kg in tow.
    You will seldom find manual trucks released these days by truck manufacturers. The Auto box have come the full circle where they are on par with the reliability of manual boxes.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    Most heavy haulers like American Full Size trucks have auto boxes and they can do 9000kg in tow.
    You will seldom find manual trucks released these days by truck manufacturers. The Auto box have come the full circle where they are on par with the reliability of manual boxes.
    Those vehicles have a soecial tow setting to be engaged. I persume it set the box to remain in a happy place

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    Problem is that these sustained heavy loads, cook the hydraulic oil. Case in point, the Ranger gearboxes. Now double that load and hold thumbs it lasts?
    Somehow I don't think the Ranger and LC 70 series have been engineered by the same people or even with similar mindset.
    The really not so great Aisin A750 5 speed box Toyota has put into the Prado for over a decade doesn't seem to give much trouble. And the TC only locks up in 4th and 5th gear.
    If the temperature of the AT fluid is an issue, all Toyota needs to do is fit an ATF cooler, not much engineering design required.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    I agree. There are quite a couple of 3.0 v6 TD engines around that make that kind of power. And are very light on diesel.

    My concern is the low down grunt, and the sustained high power demands. Hauling a heavy trailer, up a long hill.
    If you look at the Torque output of the 3.3 it delivers more torque over the whole revrange ( from Idle ) than the 4.5 V8 ,and its max torque is also from 1600 -2600 just like the 4.5 . So I don't see a reason to worry about the low down grunt of the engine!
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtshark View Post
    200kw from a modern V6 diesel is nothing, besides they get 200kw from a 3 cylinder 1.6
    Yep, you can get more than 200kW from a 3-cyl 1.6l motor. But it will not be having a GCM of over 6,000kg and lasting 650,000km.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by rob wilson View Post
    Yep, you can get more than 200kW from a 3-cyl 1.6l motor. But it will not be having a GCM of over 6,000kg and lasting 650,000km.
    Why not?
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    On the topic of not seeing many 300's off road, I think it will be model dependent. Toyota, in my opinion, have boxed smart with offering 3 models in the new lineup.


    1. ZX - City cruiser - The most likely to never see more than a pothole or pavement
    2. GX-R - Barebones, "affordable" - I think the price for this model will need to be significantly lower than the GR-S for it to sell well.
    3. GR-S - Flagship model. Most off-road orientated with all the latest driver aids, front () and rear diff locks.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    My local dealer already has a waiting list of 16 units. What they are telling me is that they expect the 1st stock to arrive in November. They don't yet have prices yet
    However, I have cut and paste this from the sales person email to me yesterday...

    “ We have had so many requests regarding pricing on LC300, but it is unfortunately not clear at the moment and no formal indication has been given by TSA.

    My guess is:

    • GX-R R1,300,000
    • ZX R1,815,000 (Diesel & Petrol will be different, not sure of variance)
    • GR-S R1,870,000 (Diesel & Petrol will be different, not sure of variance)

    ….”

    This represents quiet a significant jump, especially when one considers the relative strength of the ZAR right now
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Skukuza95 View Post
    My local dealer already has a waiting list of 16 units. What they are telling me is that they expect the 1st stock to arrive in November. They don't yet have prices yet
    However, I have cut and paste this from the sales person email to me yesterday...

    “ We have had so many requests regarding pricing on LC300, but it is unfortunately not clear at the moment and no formal indication has been given by TSA.

    My guess is:

    • GX-R R1,300,000
    • ZX R1,815,000 (Diesel & Petrol will be different, not sure of variance)
    • GR-S R1,870,000 (Diesel & Petrol will be different, not sure of variance)

    ….”

    This represents quiet a significant jump, especially when one considers the relative strength of the ZAR right now
    At R1.3 m the GX-R should get a lot of buyers. But yes, I've also been thinking about the strength of the rand. In the early 2000s when the then new shape Hilux came out it was launched at a cheaper price than the outgoing model if I remember correct. Of course the world has changed a lot since then and I doubt we can expect something similar to that happening again.
    Ex: Touareg V6 TDi - Sold at 145 000 km. More breakdowns in 2 years than all other vehicles combined in 20.
    Ex: Discovery 4 V8 - Sold at 149 000 km. Awesome vehicle, but a bottomless pit.
    Ex: Fortuner D4D - Best vehicle I've owned Sold at 267 000 km.
    Ex: Hilux 2.7i - Sold at 241 000 km.
    Ex: Hilux D4D - Sold at 330 000 km.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Really?
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.
    Some people need to spend to save on tax.
    What is better than spending R1.5m on a wanttohave and saving R300k per annum for five years on taxable income.
    Makes sense to me.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.
    That is a stupid argument and you know it!
    There is never a right time to do the wrong thing and never a wrong time to do the right thing!

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.
    Can't remember many Landcruisers doing the Zebra thing though...
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.
    What a ridiculous statement

    Have you ever driven a vehicle of class compared to the run of the mill average (facepalm x 10)
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.
    A Jimny can take you where a Fortuner take you, a quad bike can take you where a Jimny take you.....

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    Can't remember many Landcruisers doing the Zebra thing though...

    But a very good point is raised! One could use a Fortuner as a daily drive, and have a V8 LC79 expedition vehicle in the other garage ... for the price of the 300!
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    So.

    The criticism above is also valid to people buying Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, etc?

    Crazy.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The fortuner can take you where the LC300 can so electing to spend 3 times more for the LC is more of status than anything else.
    It's not about just getting somewhere. If that was the only goal, a Fortuner is way too expensive.

    A tent is a roof over your head to keep you out of the rain. Do you live in a tent or a house?

    You can eat with your hands. Or do you prefer a knife, fork and/or spoon?


    It's about so much more than getting somewhere...
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