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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider4x4 View Post
    Why would they change from 6 to 5 and then back again to 6 - is there mechanical advantages to 6 instead of 5?
    One of the Australian Car websites speculated that it may be to increase the payload compared to the 200 series.

    Saw this graph on the launch video for anyone interested in comparing the torque and power of 200 vs 300 for both the petrol and diesel engines.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    That 3.5TT is a massive improvement over the V8. Just might be the fun package.
    Quote Originally Posted by LCamper View Post
    One of the Australian Car websites speculated that it may be to increase the payload compared to the 200 series.

    Saw this graph on the launch video for anyone interested in comparing the torque and power of 200 vs 300 for both the petrol and diesel engines.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy529 View Post
    I Asked my local Toy salesman yesterday just out of interest whether they have details on the 300 yet, pricing, when they are starting to take pre orders etc.
    He said no official pricing or exact release date yet, also no official pre orders, however he already has a list of around 30 names which he must call as soon as he takes orders, all of them guys who is willing to put down deposits right away and they'll probably start to do this in the next 2 or 3 weeks.

    I asked him about stock due to the chip shortages, covid etc. he said they are hoping for the best but also know that they'll be in huge demand so stock will probably be hard to come by for quite a while.
    The Pre ordering started on the 21 of April already!
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Why does this matter?
    I dont know if it matters hence the reason I asked the question in the first place.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by LCamper View Post
    One of the Australian Car websites speculated that it may be to increase the payload compared to the 200 series.

    Saw this graph on the launch video for anyone interested in comparing the torque and power of 200 vs 300 for both the petrol and diesel engines.
    Thanks for the explanation.👍

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Very impressive video and details
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eg3G3425sk
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by LCamper View Post
    One of the Australian Car websites speculated that it may be to increase the payload compared to the 200 series.

    Saw this graph on the launch video for anyone interested in comparing the torque and power of 200 vs 300 for both the petrol and diesel engines.
    That 3.5 t petrol have good torque at low revs. Would love to have in a 70 cruiser.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Compared to the 200 it now sports a front and real locker, 30mm more articulation, lower gearing as result of the 10-speed, mmmmm I think it will be damn great offroad.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by DCTheron View Post
    Compared to the 200 it now sports a front and real locker, 30mm more articulation, lower gearing as result of the 10-speed, mmmmm I think it will be damn great offroad.

    Yes but my first question is always, who wants to take their R2 mil plus vehicle off road and in to the bush? The majority of users will feel to sorry to really take this off road.
    A couple of years back on a trip I nearly cried when I saw how a Lexus LX 570 got scratched up, the guys with Hilux and Fortuner's cringed with every scratch as we road threw the bush, but this guy in his 570 just took everything in his stride and said he'll polish it when he gets home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy529 View Post
    Yes but my first question is always, who wants to take their R2 mil plus vehicle off road and in to the bush? The majority of users will feel to sorry to really take this off road.
    A couple of years back on a trip I nearly cried when I saw how a Lexus LX 570 got scratched up, the guys with Hilux and Fortuner's cringed with every scratch as we road threw the bush, but this guy in his 570 just took everything in his stride and said he'll polish it when he gets home.
    Maybe more so in SA, but check the Ausies, they buy a brand new 200, cut it in half, do a chassis extension, up the GVM, make it a super tourer and head for the extreme tracks. In SA Jo ave won't put his 5-year old DC thru that.

    It's just a matter of time before you see the 300 with extended mods in SA. Some people have lots of mula.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy529 View Post
    Yes but my first question is always, who wants to take their R2 mil plus vehicle off road and in to the bush? The majority of users will feel to sorry to really take this off road.
    A couple of years back on a trip I nearly cried when I saw how a Lexus LX 570 got scratched up, the guys with Hilux and Fortuner's cringed with every scratch as we road threw the bush, but this guy in his 570 just took everything in his stride and said he'll polish it when he gets home.
    Think you are missing the point. It's a status symbol.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaira View Post
    Think you are missing the point. It's a status symbol.
    Really?
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaira View Post
    Think you are missing the point. It's a status symbol.

    Not at all missing the point and yes I know it's a status symbol more than anything else.
    The fact of the matter is the worst off road the majority of these vehicles will ever see is a pot hole on its way to Sandton City, same with the likes of the new Defender, no hardebaard overlander or trail driver wakes up one morning thinking that a vehicle like this will perfectly suit their needs, yes of course it suits the image, but not the needs.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by DCTheron View Post
    Compared to the 200 it now sports a front and real locker, 30mm more articulation, lower gearing as result of the 10-speed, mmmmm I think it will be damn great offroad.
    Only the GR-S has front and rear lockers, the GXR has only rear locker and the ZX has "rear torque sensing limited slip diff".
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by DCTheron View Post
    Maybe more so in SA, but check the Ausies, they buy a brand new 200, cut it in half, do a chassis extension, up the GVM, make it a super tourer and head for the extreme tracks. In SA Jo ave won't put his 5-year old DC thru that.

    It's just a matter of time before you see the 300 with extended mods in SA. Some people have lots of mula.
    That probably boils down to the (lack of) strength of the Rand. A Prado is a R1m + vehicle here, whereas in Aus they start at R700k.

    I just bought a second hand Prado and won't take it bundu-bashing just yet because it cost me an arm and leg. In a couple of years time maybe, but not now! If I was earning R1.5m a year in Aus and buying a R700k new Prado then I would probably not be as scared to use it for what it is made for.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    I will take a new GRS if there was a dealer who could get hold of one.

    I don't think we will see many 300's on our roads this year. Supply is a problem.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    No doubt the usual car flippers like Fouche, Dada etc will be at the top of the lists.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by DCTheron View Post
    Compared to the 200 it now sports a front and real locker, 30mm more articulation, lower gearing as result of the 10-speed, mmmmm I think it will be damn great offroad.
    I agree it will be more capable than the 200. Have seen 200`s all over the show doing overlanding and even serious 4x4 stuff.
    We will soon see 300`s doing the same.

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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    I agree it will be more capable than the 200. Have seen 200`s all over the show doing overlanding and even serious 4x4 stuff.
    We will soon see 300`s doing the same.
    I agree. There are quite a couple of 3.0 v6 TD engines around that make that kind of power. And are very light on diesel.

    My concern is the low down grunt, and the sustained high power demands. Hauling a heavy trailer, up a long hill.
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    Default Re: Land Cruiser 300 - 3.3L V6 diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy529 View Post
    Yes but my first question is always, who wants to take their R2 mil plus vehicle off road and in to the bush? The majority of users will feel to sorry to really take this off road.
    A couple of years back on a trip I nearly cried when I saw how a Lexus LX 570 got scratched up, the guys with Hilux and Fortuner's cringed with every scratch as we road threw the bush, but this guy in his 570 just took everything in his stride and said he'll polish it when he gets home.
    The 2mil price tag is small cash for many. Many spend close to 1mil on vehicle modifications and that on 70 Series Cruisers.
    Wait for the 3mil 300 when owners start to add overlanding equipment and aftermarket accessories.

    Most trails and routes were made 4x4 friendly. The chances to scratch a vehicle are rare. I do agree that few 300`s will see dirt.
    In the end it is a 4x4 that can do off road and there will be a fair amount of owners that will make full use of its 4x4 abilities.

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