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    Hi All

    I've got BIG problems and don't really know where to start
    Land Rover has left a huge sour taste in me for some time now.
    I do own two 300Tdi Defenders ( 110 bakkie & 110 county)but I see them in a complete different light/class
    Some of you might remember the D4 I owned from new that left me stranded on the side of the road on our way back to Durbs after our holidays with the broken crank, forum member MikeBob bought it from me.
    And this is where my problem comes from.

    I miss my blerrie D4, i can not believe I am saying this but I miss the old lady, the comfort, the power etc etc
    Best car in its own right, OK don't miss the services and regular hiccup's we had with her.

    Now I find myself looking at them again second hand, i must be crazy
    Now here is the dilemma:
    Disco D4
    RR Tdv8 4.4
    RR Tdv8 3.6
    I love those TDV8's but which is the better 3.6 / 4.4 what model etc
    What are there draw backs ??
    I know the D4, only one problem there CRANK OK and maybe a few more items

    I need advise or should I rather go and see the Dr.

    A huge dilemma it is

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    I feel your pain....

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    Quote Originally Posted by A&B View Post
    Hi All

    I've got BIG problems and don't really know where to start
    Land Rover has left a huge sour taste in me for some time now.
    I do own two 300Tdi Defenders ( 110 bakkie & 110 county)but I see them in a complete different light/class
    Some of you might remember the D4 I owned from new that left me stranded on the side of the road on our way back to Durbs after our holidays with the broken crank, forum member MikeBob bought it from me.
    And this is where my problem comes from.

    I miss my blerrie D4, i can not believe I am saying this but I miss the old lady, the comfort, the power etc etc
    Best car in its own right, OK don't miss the services and regular hiccup's we had with her.

    Now I find myself looking at them again second hand, i must be crazy
    Now here is the dilemma:
    Disco D4
    RR Tdv8 4.4
    RR Tdv8 3.6
    I love those TDV8's but which is the better 3.6 / 4.4 what model etc
    What are there draw backs ??
    I know the D4, only one problem there CRANK OK and maybe a few more items

    I need advise or should I rather go and see the Dr.

    A huge dilemma it is

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    I feel your pain bud, once you have owned a D4 you have been exposed to something special.

    My rant with LR SA is clear for all to see but it still does not deflect from the fact that the D4 is an amazing vehicle just supported by assholes.

    I sold my 2013 D4 XS to a mate with 160k on it, over a year later he is still raving about the vehicle.

    I said in my rant I would never by another LR again, after a few months with LC200 I am back in a RRS SC.

    I like Dirks suggestion about the 5.0l V8, great motor, otherwise look at a 2014 or newer SD/TD V6 they were solid, PM me and I will happily recommend a Independent LR workshop who took all the pain away of dealing with LRSA in Pinetown KZN.
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    Default Re: Huge land rover dilemma

    D4.
    V8.
    'Nuff said.
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    Your question about RR TDv8 4.4 or 3.6.TDv8 4.4 all the way.The 3.6 is a good engine but is prone to eat turbos.The 4.4 has not got to much probems and has the 8sp box where the 3.6 comes with the 6sp box.The rest much the same.RR is more luxury than D4,with D4 more practical with more packing space.Take the RR for a drive and decide then.You know the D4.Not much to chose between them.I chose the RR because of the 4.4 engine as I use it to tow the Bushlapa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoFrans View Post
    Your question about RR TDv8 4.4 or 3.6.TDv8 4.4 all the way.The 3.6 is a good engine but is prone to eat turbos.The 4.4 has not got to much probems and has the 8sp box where the 3.6 comes with the 6sp box.The rest much the same.RR is more luxury than D4,with D4 more practical with more packing space.Take the RR for a drive and decide then.You know the D4.Not much to chose between them.I chose the RR because of the 4.4 engine as I use it to tow the Bushlapa.
    Id prefer the R8 Gordini, if it in good nic. Fond memories

    Go for a D4 v8 rather.
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    If you don't need the 7 seats or the packing space, you could consider the RRS V8SC.

    3-5 year old ones are going for a song these days
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    You are not crazy, or we are both crazy.

    I also miss a Disco, and we had a D3, which also gave me endless issues. And I was one of the lucky ones that did not have the crank snap, but it might have snapped by now.

    I am also constantly checking the car sites for a D4, but the V8. You said you sold your car to mikebob. I would go chat to him if I were you, he is quite knowledgeable, and he would be able to tell you what to look out for.

    Anyway, I think those disco's are like drugs. Once you are hooked, it's extremely difficult getting off it.
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    Can we confirm that 2014 SD / TD V6 and up Crank was sorted out ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imgreg View Post
    Can we confirm that 2014 SD / TD V6 and up Crank was sorted out ?
    I don't think so.

    https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum...-Reports/page6

    Enough reports there of post 2014 cranks failing
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    Quote Originally Posted by imgreg View Post
    Can we confirm that 2014 SD / TD V6 and up Crank was sorted out ?
    most definitely NOT! Reports of MY16,17, & 18 vehicles breaking their cranks
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    I have owned a D3 V8 sold it got a RR Sport - It was just too small and began to irritate me. It was too pretty to take to the bush and no 7 seat option was problematic even though it was used a few times a year. Once you have the discovery you are truly going to battle to replace it.

    My subjective view (judging by the ones I have owned)
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    Best Offroad - Nissan Patrol
    Best All Round - Discovery 4 SCv6 (I say this after owning the D4 SDv6 - the maintenance was getting a bit much)

    I got the D4 SCv6 and it is a totally different beast to the SDv6. it feels lighter in town driving. it does not have the punch of the 5.0 V8 but it has many other benefits such as the 8sp gearbox - The in town fuel consumption is much better than the v8.

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    What is the difference between Scv6 and Sdv6 ?

    I would like to stick to diesel so that should make my options easier

    Which 4.4 tdv8 is the better one, or are they basically all the same (looking towards models in the 2012/2013 range)

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    Quote Originally Posted by imgreg View Post
    Can we confirm that 2014 SD / TD V6 and up Crank was sorted out ?
    and don't do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by A&B View Post
    What is the difference between Scv6 and Sdv6 ?

    I would like to stick to diesel so that should make my options easier

    Which 4.4 tdv8 is the better one, or are they basically all the same (looking towards models in the 2012/2013 range)

    A&B
    SC V6 = Supercharged petrol V6, weird design, a shortened version of the V8
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    I got my D4 2016 at a great price so I did some homework and it turned out that I could replace the motor with some money in my pocket for under book value.

    So it seems a no brainer to me and itís one hell of a vehicle. Love it to bits:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    most definitely NOT! Reports of MY16,17, & 18 vehicles breaking their cranks
    Orxy

    Hi , With all due respects and I really mean it as you are one of the most knowledgeable Land Rover owners on this forum and I enjoy reading your posts immensely .

    However your above statement I don't believe as being a true reflection and my reasons are that MY16,17 and 18 are all vehicles under the 5 year warranty and or in ours and Australia's case motor plan , Land Rover replace a motor under warranty will not disclose the actual cause of failure because the workshops worldwide are forbidden to strip and have to crate the failed motor and ship back to either Bridge End Wales or later to Wolverhampton England. Even from South Africa. The the plant will never ever disclose cause of failure.

    Just a refresher is that the Disco 4 was discontinued end of 2016 early 2017 when the launch of the New Discovery took place which is still using the very same TDV6 motor.

    I am not implying that you are fabricating this info but your source could be quoting hearsay.

    When JLR in 2012 bought the sole rights to the 3.0 TDV6 and the 4.4 TDV8 and relocated the manufacture to the Jaguar engine plant at Bridge End away from the Ford motor plant in Dagenham and then later to the all new JLR motor plant in Wolverhampton.

    After the take over all the failing components of the diesel motors were rigoursly addressed , crank shafts journals, bearings, oil pump and water pump etc .
    That is why that very same motor is still current and in production, ever stop to think why JLR would waste millions of GB pounds on fitting a motor with a bad history into the new Discovery, Range Rover Velar and the new Range Rover Sport and L446 big body.

    One has to be realistic.

    To the OP
    I hear your sentiments and can assure you that you are not crazy, I had a MY2013 Disco 4 3.0 TDV6 HSE for five years and it was absolute bliss, just enjoyed everything about the car so much so I upgraded to a brand new MY2019 Disco V and still like a dog with six tails and not knowing which to wag first.
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    Peter, genuine question.Are you then saying the crank and related problems on the V6 diesel have been sorted post 2015?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Peter, genuine question.Are you then saying the crank and related problems on the V6 diesel have been sorted post 2015?
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