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    SkyNews gets it wrong here, doesn't make it less tragic. Annonium nitrate on it's own is not explosive, will need a rare lining up of the stars to explode in a warehouse, and then not all of it, just some of it. I suspect there was something else in that warehouse that went bang and they aren't going to say what it was. Ala SA Helderberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZuluCowboy View Post
    SkyNews gets it wrong here, doesn't make it less tragic. Annonium nitrate on it's own is not explosive, will need a rare lining up of the stars to explode in a warehouse, and then not all of it, just some of it. I suspect there was something else in that warehouse that went bang and they aren't going to say what it was. Ala SA Helderberg.

    Quoted from Sky Website. "With the chemical formula NH4NO3, ammonium nitrate is a naturally occurring, highly soluble white crystalline solid, more commonly know as saltpetre."
    Sometimes you can only laugh at the poor journalism in the press lately. Saltpeter... LOL!!!! Naturally occurring... LOL!!!! Crystalline... LOL!!!!! 2 Things are needed to make it explode: 1) Confinement, and 2) A rapid shock like a fuse cap. Otherwise it will only burn
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    BBC conforming ammonium nitrate explosion as the cause

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    Bomb expert on CNN says AN will create yellow smoke, he says the smoke colour indicates the presence of other explosive material as well.
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    On the one video before the explosion you can see these small internal explosions throughout the smoke plume,looks almost like fire crackers exploding..But the main explosion looks like a mini nuclear bomb

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    What a horrible incident. My sincerest sympathies to all the residents of Beirut and even more so those who lost loved ones. I am not sure how anyone can feel anything but sadness and empathy after seeing a video like that.

    About the amoniumnitrate, not trying to derail the thread or being insensitve, but I am also puzzled: besides mainly being a completely benign fertilizer, it is used in ANFO in mines and even after mixed with the fuel it is quite stable mixture which will not combust randomly by itself. In fact it needs a lot of coaxing to explode. So even next to a warehouse full of old burning fireworks, it is highly unlikely to cause such a huge explosion or even a fire. However it is sensitive to humid environments (old warehouse next to sea) in which it might become dangerous.
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    An explosion of that magnitude could not have happened at a worse time when medical facilities are already stretched by the Covid impact. (Fortunately on 5062 reported cases at the moment).

    Quoting lekhubu943 we echo our: "sincerest sympathies to all the residents of Beirut and even more so those who lost loved ones."
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    I spent quite a lot of time in Beirut in the early to mid 2000's and even had a 10 day stint in the Beirut American hospital. Fantastic city and fantastic people. Was there just after the Hariri assassination bombing too.

    Terribly sad this for a city and people for whom I have very fond memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Sorry about the comments guys, too much home made rum on an empty stomach.
    We need more of this.Make a mistake,say sorry and move on.

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    BBC News confirm Ammonium Nitrate. An expert was interviewed who studies ammonium nitrate accidents. In each case there is uncontrolled fire. In this case fire works.

    1963 there was an ammonium nitrate explosion in my home town. Fertilizer factory. That was heard 30 km away where we lived at the time. It is a chemical you have to be careful with. Those who are in Potch might still be able to see tank of that stuff from the main gate of the fertilizer factory. That plant is in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdreyer View Post
    Why can we not see what Jelo posted....I mean the absolute speed that you employ to remove his post/s on this topic seems to me as if you wish to have all of us adhere to you and like minded forum member's way of thinking. Really Yes...Jelo is outspoken, but I think more people need to be thus
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    If you wish to be adult and if you consider ''being an adult'' as being able to indulge in hate speech/racism/whatever then start your own forum and then you can carry the can for your members' utterances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    BBC News confirm Ammonium Nitrate. An expert was interviewed who studies ammonium nitrate accidents. In each case there is uncontrolled fire. In this case fire works.

    1963 there was an ammonium nitrate explosion in my home town. Fertilizer factory. That was heard 30 km away where we lived at the time. It is a chemical you have to be careful with. Those who are in Potch might still be able to see tank of that stuff from the main gate of the fertilizer factory. That plant is in town.
    Don't believe that for a second, they just jumping on the bandwagon and copy and paste from any other "news" agency, unless someone poured 5 L of the devils sauce into each bag, inserted a detonator into the bag and wrapped each bag with 2.5cm of duct tape, connected all the wires to a battery and flipped a switch, that stuff won't go bang like that. I think there were a few pallets of C4 or equivalent in that warehouse that went bang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lekhubu943 View Post
    What a horrible incident. My sincerest sympathies to all the residents of Beirut and even more so those who lost loved ones. I am not sure how anyone can feel anything but sadness and empathy after seeing a video like that.

    About the amoniumnitrate, not trying to derail the thread or being insensitve, but I am also puzzled: besides mainly being a completely benign fertilizer, it is used in ANFO in mines and even after mixed with the fuel it is quite stable mixture which will not combust randomly by itself. In fact it needs a lot of coaxing to explode. So even next to a warehouse full of old burning fireworks, it is highly unlikely to cause such a huge explosion or even a fire. However it is sensitive to humid environments (old warehouse next to sea) in which it might become dangerous.
    Apparently there is/was a grain silo there, too, if so, those things are well capable of adding a new dimension to a sizeable fire.
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    Anybody watched the program on 'Mega' bombs on Discovery? This reminded me of one of them where initial explosion creates vapour cloud and secondary explosions ignites it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    Apparently there is/was a grain silo there, too, if so, those things are well capable of adding a new dimension to a sizeable fire.
    But the grain silo is almost completely intact, look at the photos in the Aljazeera article.

    I have seen a grain silo fire as child. There is just a lot of smoke and not much else. It smoulders, does not really burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRX View Post
    Anybody watched the program on 'Mega' bombs on Discovery? This reminded me of one of them where initial explosion creates vapour cloud and secondary explosions ignites it.
    Agree, but NH4NO3 is not explosive unless confined and unless mixed and unless detonated, too many unlesses.
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    Such a pity. That city, the Paris of the Med, has been built and rebuilt so many times. The extent of the damage is mind boggling, the damage at distance from the centre of the explosion
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    The silos have nothing to do with the explosion the warehouse was situated next to it.
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    The world will be a much better place if the info that is published by the media is the truth.
    In my opinion, many problems in the world are created by the false illusion that is created by the media.

    Sad times for the innocent victims in all this though. Not something I would want to witness

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