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    Quote Originally Posted by SinWolf View Post
    The Montana is waterproof, and used on the Jetski as a backup navigation device when I go out fishing. I also use it when hunting on a 12000ha game farm, to mark where to pick up my harvested animals, and to navigate the farm (hunting on foot). So for me, a cellphone is useless for this specific application.
    Download the free Gaia app on your phone. Gaia does not need cell connectivity to work as a GPS. You download all the detail of the area you need to work in and it is stored on your phone. You can pay an annual fee of about R400 and get Google earth imagery as well as the 2D map. So you could use Gaia on a 1.2 million hectare farm and it would still be better that most GPS offerings!

    Waterproof: now there's a problem with Gaia. You can get various waterproof solutions for cell phones. Even zip lock bags or "dry bags" could work.

    Gaia will knock the socks off Garmin shortly . . . .

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    I can't understand why people try to convince others that a cellphone can replace a fit for purpose GPS unit
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    <snip>
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    Gaia will knock the socks off Garmin shortly . . . .
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    In short: I doubt it. Because this is the big issue I have with cell phones. It's a phone. Or supposed to be one. Now we've chucked on a camera, a GPS, other apps and everything. Ultimately there are so many trade-off's being made that it sucks as a GPS. Or a camera. It even sucks as a phone...

    Seriously, I've got my Garmin. I use that and my paper maps when necessary when overlanding. I've had big issues with my phone (even with offline mode / maps) in the middle of nowhere before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckelberry View Post
    Gaia will knock the socks off Garmin shortly . . . .

    Doubt it - it is still dependant on the accuracy of the internal GPS tracking of smart phones.
    That is why the site recommends doing a test on smart phones first to check for reception and signal strength.

    https://help.gaiagps.com/hc/en-us/ar...-Be-Inaccurate


    There is even a recent YouTube comparision between Gaia GPS vs Garmin Overlander.

    https://youtu.be/iKzOQUKZWdo
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinWolf View Post
    I can't understand why people try to convince others that a cellphone can replace a fit for purpose GPS unit
    because they need to justify the cost of the R20k iPhone 11................
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    because they need to justify the cost of the R20k iPhone 11................
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    When I travelled into Africa I used the 276C and the Montana 600 simultaneously. Between these two GPS units I had excellent navigation. It is not just about following a pre loaded map set, but the route ahead is planned on the computer, then uploaded into the GPS. The GPS units followed the same loaded waypoints and routes, but the one had Garmin Maps loaded and the other one had T4A loaded. A big difference between these two. T4A is based entirely on actual plotted data which is highly accurate and is verified before release.
    When I was between North & South Luanga on the Eastern side where there are no tracks or roads indicated on either map. This data was plotted and later e-mailed to T4A and so the next version of T4A was updated.
    Cell phones may work acceptably for some people in navigating in cities, but when in the wild where no one has been before, they are pretty useless instruments.
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    because they need to justify the cost of the R20k iPhone 11................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Exton View Post
    When I travelled into Africa I used the 276C and the Montana 600 simultaneously.
    Yep, we have 2 x Nuvis, one with T4A and one with Garmaps/whatever.

    We've had several incidents when GPS#1 doesn't agree with GPS#2 and managed to avoid going through some very dodgy areas as a result.
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    Interesting read. Lots of opinion and diversity and some of comments may be from folk who have not been in wilder type offroad conditions - maybe.

    We have been in situations where the range of the vehicles was such that there was not enough leeway for a serious mistake in navigation. Namibia, Botswana and Zambia at least, in our experience. In those cases, use of more than one GPS and lots of care was needed to avoid range anxiety or risk. The use of cell phones with weaker software don't seem to function as well as as a dedicated GPS used by a relatively experienced operator or operators. We often preload routes, tracks, waypoints and use Google Earth on occasion as well. Don't see the same functionality with the smartphones, must say.

    Another factor is the heavy use of data and power from latest smart phones. We haven't done it as we all have reasonable GPS hardware, that costs nothing to use over our borders. but have spoken to folk who have battled with this, again overseas.

    Always willing to try stuff though but not convinced with the cell argument - yet.

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    SinWolf, did you manage to get a cover for your Montana, if not PM me, I might have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmlm View Post
    SinWolf, did you manage to get a cover for your Montana, if not PM me, I might have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marelm View Post

    By the way, it looks to me like you entered the Skeleton Coast National Park through the Hoarusib riverbed...
    Sssh... I won't blab: seen it, done it, been there - it's beautiful!

    Thanks for keeping schtum but in reality I was legal as this shows.
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    We came in from the north and camped before turning up the Hoarusib.
    Another mark up for Garmin. I could prove my innocence.
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    I'm also somewhat disappointed with Garmin. We had an old Garmin GPS which we took their offices and they said it was obsolete. Sold us a Nuvi 40 or the likes. All good with touch screen etc. Was promised lifetime updates. With roads changing around I tried to get maps updated only to find that this is not available and have to pay. Shyte salesman promises and our power button also took a walk. Bought a 276c years back still does the trick but cant get updates either. Oh yes we will gladly sell you a new one. Should you commend them I think not but then i suppose opposition is no better either. Compass and paper map. Wont have glitches unless you miscalculate.

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    The best Garmin ever manufactured was the 276C for Land and Marine use and the identical looking model for Aviation was the 296C. The 276C is extremely capable and has great navigational features. My 276C is always on the Tracks4Africa map set. If navigating is difficult & the terrain is unsure it needs to be noted that T4A is an actual log of where vehicles have been, the info is sent to T4A and is then verified by T4A, then only is that track / route included in the next version of T4A. It is accurate because is is based on actual readings taken.
    I recall an unfortunate night in Botswana when travelling North in heavy rain with a convoy of 3 vehicles and I was driving so to speak only with the 276C zoomed in to a very readable scale. If it was not for this GPS and T4A and good communication between vehicles, we would have been in trouble. The navigation was perfect and extremely accurate in poor visibility.
    As stated previously in Northern Zambia I plotted un-travelled tracks which were later e-mailed to T4A which are now included in the next updated version.
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    How does the light bulb relate to the Garmin?
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    Some good advice from someone who is a seasoned traveler.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZRQrG6bC3k

    Keep in mind that this is for serious international over-landing.

    Someone that only travels some gravel back roads in South Africa or someone that visits neighboring countries two or three times a year for holiday or someone that visits KNP once a year or even the traveling rep might use anything from a cell phone with Google maps to a Garmin 276Cx with Tracks4Africa.

    Different strokes for different folks. Needs and budgets and tech savvy are very different from person to person.
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    Excellent documentary and very helpful. Thanks.
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