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    Thanks for the feedback - much appreciated. I suspected that ZESCO would be closed so will carry even more extra fuel. I have booked all the camps and hope there won't be too many people around!

    I would like to ask for an update on road conditions as well as the status at the Kazungula ferry but will do that in mid-June as we leave SA on 27 June.

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    Smile Kafue thanks

    Hi Thirstie

    Thanks for the invitation to pop around for a beer (on the house? Just kidding... Dangerous practice as we could be a party of 50 for all you know.) We are 4 adults, 1 teen (do they fit in anywhere?) and 2 kids. By the way, we saw your camp on "Getaway to Africa" and DID contact you via e-mail, but of course you don't offer camping. Thanks for all your advice.

    PS Trailers (don't know about caravans) are allowed at KaingU.

    To Paolo

    We will be camping in Kafue from 4-14 July at the sites specified in my previous post. See you there.

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    Confirmed, I had my trailer at Kaingu!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfuwefarmer View Post
    2 or 3 jerries s/be good. Don't pass an opportunity to fill up on that route, the next stop might not have!
    Fuel shortage I think, might be a good excuse to do some wild camping in the Kafue.........especially up in the plains!
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    Hi,

    YAY, we are famous! Yes, great show with Justin and the boys. Pity they never showed all the footage as the lions and leopards were really having fun while they were here. We know them from Moz days so it was a blast!

    On 6 Feb Heiner Maag confirmed they do not allow caravans (not sure about trailers because, if I re read my email, I see I don't specify) at Kaingu. But is an offroad caravan REALLY a caravan...? Rather a large trailer...! Anyhow, double check if you are taking a caravan up there.

    Guys, if any of you need me to keep fuel for you just email me before you leave with a reminder and I will pick up in Lusaka for you. You can just settle with me when you get here. We run a truck every week so will just add it to the shopping list.

    Skrik, come and have a beer! I will buy you the first round! I truely insist. Paolo, you too! I wish we had camping but no space at the moment. Putting in self catering but that doesn't help you well equipped fella's. During the quieter months we don't mind guys setting up if the bush camp is empty. Working on a land extension then will put a campsite in. Had 3 SA wary campers trail in 2 nights ago and just couldn't say no!

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    Johan005, Craig from Liuwa Plains was here today and was saying that the ferry may only start running 3rd week in June.

    As an alternative: The 3 guys I was telling you about in my previous post used the route which branches NW about 15km before Mulobezi and comes out just before Kaoma. Sounds like it was sandy but they did Sesheke to Kaoma in a day. This may be a good option.

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    Thirsty, I think there is a strong case to be made for camping facilities....and not only in KNP!
    I will over the weekend start a new thread to debate this. Maybe we can convince the authorities and lodge operators to allow camping in the national parks.

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    You see, guys like Kaingu, us and Puku Pan are in the game management area so camping is viable (our campsite washed away 2 years ago and we are STILL waiting for the land extension otherwise we would have one). The other poor guys like Nanzhila, Muyukuyuku and Lufupa all have to charge compulsory park fees and bed night levies which puts your camping costs up to over $40 per person which is ludicrous.

    Mukambi's owner sits on a lot of the boards (KAPOA etc) and works closely with Zawa plus NGO's funding roads, parks etc. If you start a thread we can give him the info and see if he can't negotiate options on the Plains etc plus for there to be bed levy relief for overlanders/campers. Let's get the thread going and I will see what he has to say. I am also going to convince him to put 2 sites in our self catering area so that we can at least offer some form of camping for passer bys.

    I personally feel that the 4x4 camper/overlander is a serious traveller and this is a quick fix way of spreading the word (instant marketing, so to speak) that Zambia is a stunning country to visit, there are accessible and quality facilities in parks and on major routes and that it is a safe and comfortable country to travel in. This is obviously a relative statement. Relative in African (and 4x4 traveller) terms as Zambia is comparable to Moz and such countries where infastructures are basic and generally in disrepair to say the least. But this doesn't deter our 4x4-ers who will spread the word for us, is what I am trying to say.

    Take Liuwa Plains for example. THAT is why we have spent mega fortunes on our vehicle so we can travel on serious 4x4 roads to get to such incredibly beautiful places such as Liuwa. It was one of the most spiritual experiences we have had - this huge open plain (nobody else around), thousands of wildebeest and...silence!
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    We are on the same page!
    When I get home tonight I will start a new thread. Zambia is extremely expensive and we need to find a way to make it more affordable to Mr Average.

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    They must formulate a plan soon. If... and this is a big if, Zimbabwe gets their [email protected] together, the overland community will return in numbers to that country. Where else can you camp in the parks cheaply like Zimbabwe, instead of on the parks borders and be at the beck and call of the gate keepers. Its a beautiful country and we can even walk in a couple of the parks unescorted. I have noticed that the companies in tourism have been gearing up more then usual recently there, so Zambia better make a decision in the near future if the overlander market is important to them.

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    Hi Jacques, Linda...

    is it rules, or facilities, that are preventing camping at your place?

    If its facilities, I for one don't care too much about them! As long as I can get to a tap once in a while.......

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    Mike, it is more the owner who has had a poor experience with the previous campsite with unruly visitors upsetting our lodge guests but, as I said to him, if we do it correctly and manage it right it will land up being a positive addition to the property. He is determined we are going to put the new campsite far from the lodge hence the land extension.

    The biggest mistake they made was putting in ablutions, communial areas and fireplaces but not actual designated sites ie they just set their limit to 40 vehicles to the area, much like Muyukuyuku. It just becomes a bun fight and an unpleasant experience for all. If we are faced with a set up like that when travelling we would rather pay more money and go the the Hotel down the road and never go back...!!!

    Anyhow, the self catering set up we are busy with at the moment will be a max of 7 fixed tents (already existing on a full board basis) which can fit a max of 3 adults per tent. We also have space and capacity for possibly 2 campsites, max 4 vehicles. This is all I want at this stage. It also gives us the option of approaching the overlanding trucks and see if they want to come our way as we are 2km off a perfect tar road from Lusaka and the trucks are going to Lufupa anyway. We can make a deal on rates based on their numbers.

    The game viewing in this area is spectacular even in the GMA and in order for these parks to survive they need the bodies thru them which should be our first priority as a stakeholder in the area. We should focus as much on bed night turnover as revenue turnover - this is the best way of investing in our and the Kafue's future because we can't survive or grow without each other.

    I think we are all in agreement on this. LuangwaBl makes an interesting point about Zim gearing up for happy times. I have a fellow General Manager mate who works for VF Saf Lodge hotel group and they are busy finishing off a development on Kariba. They wouldn't be doing this if the future was bleak in Zim....!

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    Jacques, Linda (I'm never sure which of you write these postings!!!!),

    Your set-up sounds terrific, as do your plans..........but I would be really cautious about getting involved with the overland trucks. They are a nightmare in campsites! They are so often noisy and inconsiderate, drunk and drugged, that just about the first question I ask before booking into a campsite is whether there are any trucks in that night! They really spoil it for everyone.

    If your owner is nervous about campers, he'll have kittens when it comes to the overland trucks!!

    Campsites soon gather a reputation......and if you ban music (and overland trucks!!!), have designated sites and decent ablutions, and don't crowd people in like sardines, then you will quickly be attracting referrals and repeat business....for very little outlay and low staffing costs. Once you are known for overland trucks, if there are other campsites in the area the only campers you will ever get will be overland trucks.

    I'm looking forward to checking out your facilities in about 3 & 1/2 months time!

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    Agreed 100% with Mike about the overland trucks. While some of the companies are responsible, the majority are out there for the party and ruin the place for all the other campers. If you do get the land extension and are able to put in a camp site, it really is important to limit numbers per site.

    If I had to rate camp sites in Kafue, I would rate what Tom has done at Kaingu and Steve at Nanzhila as two of the best in Africa, and the new dust bowl camp site at Lufupa as one of the worst. Another superb example of a well thought out, well designed and beautifully located site is Faan's Peregrine bush camp at Taita Falcon Lodge outside Livingstone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirstie View Post
    Johan005, Craig from Liuwa Plains was here today and was saying that the ferry may only start running 3rd week in June.

    As an alternative: The 3 guys I was telling you about in my previous post used the route which branches NW about 15km before Mulobezi and comes out just before Kaoma. Sounds like it was sandy but they did Sesheke to Kaoma in a day. This may be a good option.
    Hi Thirstie, thanks for the "bad"? news on the ferry. I will look at your suggested alternative route and keep you posted

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    Johann, let me know if I can help further.

    Mike/Tony, agreed on the overlanders to a point. We have been forced by lack of choice recently to share eg. Etosha campsite and Sossusvlei with overlanders and were hugely impressed by their behaviour. There definitely seems to be an older crowd travelling this way which is probably why they are quieter. I can't comment if this is the norm now. However, we would not offer the facilities to overlanders unless they take the whole camp at a premium of course. We are very unlikely to get a huge response but would like to keep our options open.

    Oh, and Mike, it is generally me (Linda) as I can type fast!!!

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    Linda,

    which way would you come up to yours from Katima? We have plenty of time, so are just looking for a nice route. If we come up via Mulobezi, is that where someone said there are a whole lot of dead steam trains?

    Or, would it be worthwhile going to Ngonye.......which forces us up to Mongu or back to Shesheke?

    That all might be academic as one of our party hasn't seen Vic falls.......so a secondary question.........which way would you come up from Livingstone? I'm quite happy to bush-camp, so we don't have top plan routes from lodge to lodge.

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    The road from Sesheke (katima) to Mongu keeps you along the Zambezi the whole way and takes you past Sioma Falls which is why I will always recommend it. Coming past Mulobezi and thru the park is a lot more boring (and you can't wild camp in the park) as there isn't much game to be seen. Game concentrations only really worth it from us and north of us.

    The Sesheke/Sitoti/Senanga road is only about 200km of pretty wild road but spend a night or 3 along the way...you will love it. You can then hoof it from Senanga to Mukambi in about 5 hours - all tar and only one dodgy pot holed section. This is if you don't want to go via Liuwa Plains which you would then keep to the west of the Zambezi ie. not cross at Sitoti and that will bring you out at Kalabo.

    From Livingstone I would go Kalomo to Nanzhila to Ithezi Thezi to Kaingu to us. Obviously you don't have to stress too much if you are staying with us but I would book with Nanzhila/Kaingu. Or I can do it for you. Just give me a day or two's notice.

    Of course there is always the Tsetse issue - don't wild camp if you want to avoid them. Most of the lodges don't have much of a problem as they are in well chosen areas.

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    Hallo Johan,
    I will gladly keep you updated on the routes in Western Zambia and the status of the ferry at Sitoti.
    Give me a ring 082 672 5168 to discuss a alternative route that we used last year to Kalabo.
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    Thanks Piet will be in touch.
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