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    So I want to get some all terrains for my 2007 Touareg. It came with Lanvigator Catchpower 255/55R18 tyres on when I bought it. Not very good off road, much more of a highway terrain tyre. So I've been looking going to something in the 265/65 or 265/60 size range with a more aggressive A/T tread.

    So a few options I have looked at are below, prices range from R2,315.00 (265/60R18 Giti AT70 RWL 110S) to R5,301.00 (265/65R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 LT 8PLY 122/119R). Now I'm a newbie and don't know much about tyres, hence I'm trusting I'll get some good advice here. My main question though, is it worth spending the extra money R11,575.00 vs R26,505.00 - a R14,930 difference, that's enough for a winch and probably Maxtrax...

    What's on the car now - Lanvigator Catchpower:


    Some options I've looked at:

    265/60R18 Giti AT70 RWL 110S - R2,315.00
    265/60R18 Maxtrek SU-800 110H - R2,373.00
    265/60R18 General Grabber AT3 110H - R2,490.00
    265/65R18 Yokohama G015 Geolander AT 114H - R2,888.00
    265/60R18 General Grabber AT3 10Ply (Lre)(Fr) 119/116S - R3,044.00
    265/60R18 Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain + WL 110H - R3,467.00
    265/60R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 4S 110T - R3,994.00
    265/65R18 Maxxis AT771 114S - R4,211.00
    265/65R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 4S 114T - R4,472.00
    265/60R18 BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A Ko2 119S - R4,768.00
    265/65R18 BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A Ko2 117/114R - R4,960.00
    265/65R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 LT 8PLY 122/119R - R5,301.00
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    I went for cheaper tyres from China on my Cruiser pick up. They looked really cool and actually surprised me but everytime I carried a big load or had to drive faster then usual or into rougher terrain the tyres were always a worry for me. A couple of nights ago I lost two tyres at 33000km and was stuck on the side of the road until someone could bring me their spare, I managed to repair one. I have a long trip with a load coming up and the reliability of the tyre are my main concern. The tyres won't make 40000km.

    I have decided that going the cheap route on tyres is not worth it for me. Rather stick to a reputable brand like BFGoodrich ( not saying they're the only reputable brand) and get peace of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethHAllen View Post
    I went for cheaper tyres from China on my Cruiser pick up. They looked really cool and actually surprised me but everytime I carried a big load or had to drive faster then usual or into rougher terrain the tyres were always a worry for me. A couple of nights ago I lost two tyres at 33000km and was stuck on the side of the road until someone could bring me their spare, I managed to repair one. I have a long trip with a load coming up and the reliability of the tyre are my main concern. The tyres won't make 40000km.

    I have decided that going the cheap route on tyres is not worth it for me. Rather stick to a reputable brand like BFGoodrich ( not saying they're the only reputable brand) and get peace of mind.
    Thanks for sharing your experience with me. Ya the spare is an issue for my because the Touareg only has a space saver spare. The plan is to keep the space saver and use it in case of an emergency puncture around city, etc, but if going off-road or more than say 100 km's, then bolt a full size spare to the roof or put it in the boot.

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    We have BF Goodrich for the work bakkie and she has worked a LOT.

    Thick and thin, 50 000km later and 5 years of serious torture and they still working mighty hard. Gone through 2 sets of Wranglers on some other vehicles in the time we have gone (not even all the way) through the BF Goodrich. So as much as people have issues with balancing them, they are good tyres for a lot of gravel, rocks and off road in my opinion.

    Would I buy them for my personal use. No.

    Why? I had BF Goodrich on my Prado and that was when they were R2800 each. Now at 5K per tyre its just a budget thing for me, not quality.

    What I was personally looking at in an off road tyre not too long ago was something that was under R2500 per tyre but something that I was comfortable enough to drive into the bush and not worry about every bush I drive over causing a flat.

    I settled on the General Grabber AT3 and they are great for my use. Any more expensive tyre would just be a waste in my opinion. If I had a bit larger budget I would have gone for the Pirelli Scorpion as they are a bit better on tar.

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    I think it depends on how you use them.


    Stuff like the Coopers and BF's will probably last considerably longer, and should be a bit more resistant to sidewall punctures.

    As far as traction goes, you can get that in cheaper tyres. Also keep in mind that more traction off-road usually translates to less traction and more noise on-road.

    Make an honest assesment of how much you travel on and off, and how many punctures you have had with the current stuff, and take it from there.

    Also perhaps have a look at Lanvigator's more aggressive tread options. Call Charles Fry on zero82 69two 1 double87.
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    What areHangkook Tyres like ..Longevity ..mainly tar road driving in a 4x2 Bakkie ....I will have to replace the tyres iy came with in the next 18 months and people a raving about the H Kooks

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    Have a look at the Bridgestone Dueler D697, great all terrain with minimal road noise. Also not too expensive

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    Dunlop GrandTrek AT3G (Don't forget the "G", there's an AT3, an AT3M and an AT3G)

    By all accounts, really good AT tyres at a decent enough price. What I would call a solid midrange AT. Between R2900 and R3100 depending on the stealer.

    I had a set fitted to the Hilux yesterday, haven't driven it yet, I'll get her back today. I did a lot of research (search this forum + the big G) because I've always had BFG or Cooper before, but I can't justify the price of them anymore.
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    Ordered 5 Tyre for my Fortuner , Price R3060 all inclusive per 265/60R18 MICHELIN LTX FORCE (110T)


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    "I settled on the General Grabber AT3 and they are great for my use. Any more expensive tyre would just be a waste in my opinion. If I had a bit larger budget I would have gone for the Pirelli Scorpion as they are a bit better on tar."

    Ended up doing exactly the same Generals. Affordable, quiet, decent traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Betts View Post
    What areHangkook Tyres like ..Longevity ..mainly tar road driving in a 4x2 Bakkie ....I will have to replace the tyres iy came with in the next 18 months and people a raving about the H Kooks
    I run Hankook Dynapro ATM on the Jeep and have always been happy with them. I did look at BF Goodrich but decided against them when I found out they create quite a bit more road noise and are much heavier than the Hankooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d7e7r7 View Post
    So I want to get some all terrains for my 2007 Touareg. It came with Lanvigator Catchpower 255/55R18 tyres on when I bought it. Not very good off road, much more of a highway terrain tyre. So I've been looking going to something in the 265/65 or 265/60 size range with a more aggressive A/T tread.

    So a few options I have looked at are below, prices range from R2,315.00 (265/60R18 Giti AT70 RWL 110S) to R5,301.00 (265/65R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 LT 8PLY 122/119R). Now I'm a newbie and don't know much about tyres, hence I'm trusting I'll get some good advice here. My main question though, is it worth spending the extra money R11,575.00 vs R26,505.00 - a R14,930 difference, that's enough for a winch and probably Maxtrax...

    What's on the car now - Lanvigator Catchpower:


    Some options I've looked at:

    265/60R18 Giti AT70 RWL 110S - R2,315.00
    265/60R18 Maxtrek SU-800 110H - R2,373.00
    265/60R18 General Grabber AT3 110H - R2,490.00
    265/65R18 Yokohama G015 Geolander AT 114H - R2,888.00
    265/60R18 General Grabber AT3 10Ply (Lre)(Fr) 119/116S - R3,044.00
    265/60R18 Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain + WL 110H - R3,467.00
    265/60R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 4S 110T - R3,994.00
    265/65R18 Maxxis AT771 114S - R4,211.00
    265/65R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 4S 114T - R4,472.00
    265/60R18 BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A Ko2 119S - R4,768.00
    265/65R18 BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A Ko2 117/114R - R4,960.00
    265/65R18 Cooper DISCOVERER AT3 LT 8PLY 122/119R - R5,301.00
    As mentioned here above, rather stay away from the less knows chinese imports. Yes, they will grip in the beginning but the older they get, the harder they get and you start to loose grip, They are cheap etc, but remember your safety relies on the contact patch between the vehicle and the the road.
    I am in the same boat where I am looking at upgrading my OEM tires on the Frodtjie from the 255/70 16" highway terrain to a more aggressive 265/70 16" All Terrain tires. I went to all the outlets here in Durbanville/Brackenfell area last week and got quotes.

    Chinese imports were quoted at R1800 per tire (Grenlander , Lanvigator etc)

    My personal choices being considered to date are for 265/70 16" tires
    General Grabber AT3 (quoted R2100 per tire all incl)
    Goodyear Wrangler Adventure (quoted R2100 per tire all incl)
    Dunlop AT5 (quoted R2125 per tire all incl) This is Dunlop's new release and has a 100k km warranty as well, The agents quoted me R2900 for the AT3G tire

    Ask yourself the question, is the R300 saving per tire worth your safety and enjoyment of the vehicle?
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    No Kumho's on your list? Kumho Road Venture AT51

    I run Kumho AT's on one Rocky and Kumho muds on other

    Price from Errols website

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckzoo View Post
    I run Hankook Dynapro ATM on the Jeep and have always been happy with them. I did look at BF Goodrich but decided against them when I found out they create quite a bit more road noise and are much heavier than the Hankooks.
    also running Hankook Dynapro on the Wrangler, very happy, much better than the Cooper AT3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques_Nel View Post
    As mentioned here above, rather stay away from the less knows chinese imports. Yes, they will grip in the beginning but the older they get, the harder they get and you start to loose grip, They are cheap etc, but remember your safety relies on the contact patch between the vehicle and the the road.
    I am in the same boat where I am looking at upgrading my OEM tires on the Frodtjie from the 255/70 16" highway terrain to a more aggressive 265/70 16" All Terrain tires. I went to all the outlets here in Durbanville/Brackenfell area last week and got quotes.

    Chinese imports were quoted at R1800 per tire (Grenlander , Lanvigator etc)

    My personal choices being considered to date are for 265/70 16" tires
    General Grabber AT3 (quoted R2100 per tire all incl)
    Goodyear Wrangler Adventure (quoted R2100 per tire all incl)
    Dunlop AT5 (quoted R2125 per tire all incl) This is Dunlop's new release and has a 100k km warranty as well, The agents quoted me R2900 for the AT3G tire

    Ask yourself the question, is the R300 saving per tire worth your safety and enjoyment of the vehicle?
    Thanks for your reply. How important are "plys"? I see the Cooper Discoverers are 8ply (R5,301.00) and General Grabbers are 10ply (R3,044.00)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by d7e7r7 View Post
    Thanks for your reply. How important are "plys"? I see the Cooper Discoverers are 8ply (R5,301.00) and General Grabbers are 10ply (R3,044.00)...
    The ply rating determines the impact and load capabilities. Not extremely important on road use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The ply rating determines the impact and load capabilities. Not extremely important on road use.
    And for off road use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d7e7r7 View Post
    And for off road use?
    More is better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    No Kumho's on your list? Kumho Road Venture AT51

    I run Kumho AT's on one Rocky and Kumho muds on other

    Price from Errols website

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    I also like the Kunho's, good tire ate a reasonable price.

    My thoughts on tires are that the very expensive ones can't be 2x + better than the cheapest ones, but I would also be hesitant to go for the very cheapest option. I have also personally had bad experiences with big names like Michellin and Pirelli, so just because you pay a lot doesn't mean you will have a great experience.

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    On your list the Yokohama G015 Geolander is a good option,if you can find them.Supply is a problem.
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