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    Some surprises in there although LR and Honda werent surprises in their respective positions
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    And people still buy used Land Rovers blindly
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    Surprised by the Germans: Porche, Audi, BMW, Merc, VW. But maybe not from what I hear from friends and family.

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    Dependability
    ScoreMakeAverage Repair Cost
    93Honda£535
    93Toyota£592
    92Suzuki£424
    89Mitsubishi£833
    88Hyundai£577
    88Mazda£617
    86Nissan£521
    85Subaru£791
    85Ford£421
    84SEAT£475
    84Peugeot£406
    83Smart£390
    82MINI£497
    82Volkswagen£631
    82Fiat£417
    82Lexus£603
    81Renault£441
    81Vauxhall£467
    80Kia£522
    79Chevrolet£548
    78Skoda£492
    77Land Rover£453
    77Volvo£553
    77MG£399
    76Saab£425
    75Citroen£501
    74Mercedes£751
    74Audi£620
    69BMW£701
    64Ferrari£2046
    64Jeep£505
    64Chrysler£464
    60Alfa Romeo£590
    57Porsche£842
    54Jaguar£794
    41Maserati£1430
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    Hehe - there was the LR rebadged as a Honda:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Crossroad

    And LR products with BMW engines and Ford engines of course.

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    Im shocked to see where Porsche is, not what you hear from their owners....
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    Well, according to some (and a lot of them) on this forum, the VAG produced vehicles are the mostest bestest reliabilist vehicles ever!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadi View Post
    Hehe - there was the LR rebadged as a Honda:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Crossroad

    I'd love to get hold of a set of the badges and grille etc for one of those and stick them on a D1...

    And LR products with BMW engines and Ford engines of course.
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    True !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadi View Post

    And LR products with BMW engines and Ford engines of course.
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    What skews it for me are the sample sizes. 500 odd Smarts compared to 24000 Fords. Make's Ford's place look very good I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
    And people still buy used Land Rovers blindly
    According to this I must be the dumbest car buyer alive. I'm driving a FL2 SD4 at the moment at 150k km, bought with 100k on the clock. In 50k km I've not had a single problem. My previous car was a Honda Jazz, which I drove for about 70k km and had to replace the clutch, which would have cost about R15k at the stealer.

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    Never thought VW is going to do so good.
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    German premium cars are not that reliable. It has come out in several studies. Complicated cars in general have more trouble.

    Skoda, Seat and VW are very much the same cars. Grouped together. Similar "grouping" applies with couple other makes.

    I have my 2nd Smart. Small sample in the report but they have been OK. I have had also Fords. Locally made Saphire was a trouble vehicle but then cheap to fix.

    Honda doesn't sell cars. They sell engines. What comes with the engine is just a package to sell the engine.

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    Most vehicles today are motorised junk heaps, over expensive, increasingly gimmicky
    expensive to maintain and repair especially when out of warranty.

    Be that as it may some of the greatest disappointment I had were from Mercedes
    and Landrover.

    Probably the best value I had was from a 1980 4x4 Toyota Hilux, purchased new,
    only 1.8 litre, 2 door, not power steering or aircon, but it lasted me more than 25
    years, more than half a million km and I only sold it when I saw the light, through
    the floor boards on the passenger side.

    It was still mechanically sound, got good price for it from the buyer who was after
    it more that five years, gave me better than the list price and promptly replaced
    the rotten floor board with a newly welded steel plate, corrosion proof primer and
    paint to match.

    Years ago I wad favourably impressed by a Hunday I rented cheaply in SB Ca. as
    a so called "rent a wreck". Few years old with a few minor dents paid for a week
    rental less than one day of a newer model, and it performed amazingly well in
    the most terrible freezing rain and snow conditions when I was passing many
    supposedly better, and definitely much newer vehicles stack at the side of the
    road.

    We had quite a few Toyota Corollas that served us well, reasonably durable, and
    not excessively expensive to maintain, and all fetched goot trade in or resale
    values. My wife's current vehicle is a 2015 Etios, and except for tyres, couple
    of batteries and an alternator was pretty much trouble free and a pleasure.

    Many years ago I got excellent service from a local GMSA "Ranger" which was
    base on the Chevy 4 cyl engine. It was bought cheaply with 153000 miles
    (just about 250000) on the clock, relatively new body and upholstery, when
    another vehicle I needed for day to day business was repaired after a major
    accident, and I bought it to use while I was waiting for it to be repaired, expecting
    to sell it as soon as my other vehicle was repaired.

    It proved so reliable that I kept it for another five years, took it to well over
    half million km and traded it in for more than I paid for it (though allow for
    inflation for proper perspective).

    That vehicle was the badge engineering equivalent for the then local Opel
    Rekord.

    Over the years we had some Fords than gave us reasonable but not particular
    service. The best amongst the Fords was the Laser, which was also badge
    engineering equivalent of the Mazda 123.

    Our worst personal experience was actually with Mercedes which were bought
    new and used under the myth of reliability.

    I currently drive a 2012 Jeep Cherokee, bought seven months old with 14000 km
    on the clock in mid 2013. Only reached 62000 km by now. Had A/T transmission
    failure which required a complete rebuild, otherwise no other problems so far.
    The cost of the A/T rebuild was mitigated, however because I got the vehicle
    in originally practically new condition at a substantial discount from the then
    trade price. Otherwise, it has pretty heavy fuel consumption. Reflecting my
    preferences I refer to it as my "Poor Man's Toyota".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    What skews it for me are the sample sizes. 500 odd Smarts compared to 24000 Fords. Make's Ford's place look very good I think.
    Statistics 101: for univariate stats a samples size of 31 or more is considered representative. 500 is actually a large samples size. Sorry to disappoint, but your opinion doesn't outrank the numbers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxenz View Post
    Statistics 101: for univariate stats a samples size of 31 or more is considered representative. 500 is actually a large samples size. Sorry to disappoint, but your opinion doesn't outrank the numbers...
    I guess you feel pretty smug now

    IMHO a 24000 sample size will always be more accurate than 500. But it is only my opinion, whether it outranks any numbers or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uri View Post
    Most vehicles today are motorised junk heaps, over expensive, increasingly gimmicky
    expensive to maintain and repair especially when out of warranty.

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    Not sure how you get to that conclusion. I remember well that during my snotkop years in the 60s any car that made it to 100,000 miles (160,000km) was considered a legend. Most cars could not even come close. Traveling long distance without tools and bloudraad was not advisable.

    And any car that could make 100 mph (160 kph) was also a legend.

    Today you can buy a Chinese car that will outlast and outrun these legends, at a fraction of the cost, and a fraction of the fuel consumption.

    Back in the days (70s and 80s), on a second hand car, 80,000km was considered high mileage. Today I see members here advertise vehicles with north of 100,000km as "low, low mileage".

    Today's cars may lack a lot of the character the old jalopies had, but they are immeasurably better in terms of engineering.

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