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    Love it! Why couldn't LR have made this Click image for larger version. 

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    Love dit. Lyk neer na n defender as wat die nuwe defender doen.

    Nou een vraag:
    N stoere defender man, koop jy nou die nuwe defender, agter die naam, of koop jy die, agter die konsep? Sal seker n tawwe besluit wees...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Love dit. Lyk neer na n defender as wat die nuwe defender doen.

    Nou een vraag:
    N stoere defender man, koop jy nou die nuwe defender, agter die naam, of koop jy die, agter die konsep? Sal seker n tawwe besluit wees...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Love dit. Lyk neer na n defender as wat die nuwe defender doen.Nou een vraag:N stoere defender man, koop jy nou die nuwe defender, agter die naam, of koop jy die, agter die konsep? Sal seker n tawwe besluit wees...
    Dit is n moeilike besluit wat jy het, intree model 1.2 m en top een duurder as n VX-R

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudeG View Post
    Love it! Why couldn't LR have made this Click image for larger version. 

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    Hulle het. Hulle het dit die defender genoem.
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    As far as I am concerned this is the new Defender.

    To answer the OP's question: because LR are not into the 'working' vehicles market at this stage .
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    Now, for the price...
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    Very interesting. It looks like they will fit 6 cylinder BMW petrol and diesel turbo engine options combined with 8 speed gearbox (probably auto) and their own transfer box. This will be combined with 2 solid beam axles on coil suspension. 3 difflocks to be fitted.

    Just hope they do not get locked into some design copy battle in court.

    The BMW engine LR we built in SA was an early warning that this is what the market wants.

    Just show what can happen if you don't listen to your own customer base. LR spent 50 + years building a good product and reputation and then change direction into something not suited or affordable to their market.

    If the Grenadier sell at between R 400K and R 600K then LR Defender will have an uphill battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBX View Post
    If the Grenadier sell at between R 400K and R 600K then LR Defender will have an uphill battle.
    hahaha dream on.
    Will probably be more expensive than the New defender.
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    One article I read here in Aus mentioned that price-wise we would be looking at the full Raptorís price, which is around the $80 000 mark.

    So yes, in SA I doubt it would be anything under 1 bar.
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    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-revealed.html

    Instead of a traditional dealership network, customers will be able to shop online and via a network of existing agricultural and tractor traders, ‘pop-up sites’ at county shows and agricultural and equestrian events, and at off-road experience centres where buyers can try out the vehicles for themselves.
    For repairs and servicing it is planning a ‘flying spanner’ service as well as a partnership with a major international chain of repair centres.
    Now that the covers are off, more than a million miles of testing is planned over the coming year including in South Africa and arctic tundra.
    Ineos Automotive’s chief executive Dirk Heilmann said: ‘From today the covers are off. Showing the design now allows us to focus on the critical next phase of the vehicle’s development, testing its capability and durability.’
    ‘Testing ‘in plain sight’ without the need for camouflage wrapping, foam blocks or fake panels is an added benefit.’
    About 35 per cent of sales will be in North America, 30 per cent in the UK and Europe including Germany, with the remainder across Africa, Asia, Australia and New Zealand.
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    The most exciting 4x4 to be revealed in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oradba69 View Post
    hahaha dream on.
    Will probably be more expensive than the New defender.
    Agree it is a low hope but if they price more expensive that the New Defender, then they will struggle.
    Maybe they bring to market a single cab bakkie with non-turbo straight six petrol engine closer to R400 - R 500 K.
    I really like the idea of the 6 cylinder BMW engines. A straight six is naturally a smooth engine and the BMW versions have been proven over many years.
    They say the insides are not going to be loaded with all the expensive stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBX View Post
    If the Grenadier sell at between R 400K and R 600K then LR Defender will have an uphill battle.
    I doubt that it will be as cheap.

    I doubt that Land Rover are having sleepless nights, they don't compete in the same market any more.

    Land Rover have reduced the New Defender to a mere over priced family bus, the Grenadier is a durable workhorse.

    Land Cruiser 70, Iveco Daily 4x4, some of the small off-road trucks would be it's more direct competitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBX View Post
    Just hope they do not get locked into some design copy battle in court.
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    They've already been to court.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...iffe-mls3p8xcp
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    This is where the Market Research people @ LR get a reality lesson. Absolutly love the Grenadier concept.


    Quote Originally Posted by JBX View Post
    Very interesting. It looks like they will fit 6 cylinder BMW petrol and diesel turbo engine options combined with 8 speed gearbox (probably auto) and their own transfer box. This will be combined with 2 solid beam axles on coil suspension. 3 difflocks to be fitted.

    Just hope they do not get locked into some design copy battle in court.

    The BMW engine LR we built in SA was an early warning that this is what the market wants.

    Just show what can happen if you don't listen to your own customer base. LR spent 50 + years building a good product and reputation and then change direction into something not suited or affordable to their market.

    If the Grenadier sell at between R 400K and R 600K then LR Defender will have an uphill battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy of Arabia View Post
    This is where the Market Research people @ LR get a reality lesson. Absolutly love the Grenadier concept.
    Who should get the reality lesson from whom..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy of Arabia View Post
    This is where the Market Research people @ LR get a reality lesson. Absolutly love the Grenadier concept.

    Its not to say they need a reality check because Grenadair is aiming for 20 000 units and Land Rover are going to sell 3 times that number in Defenders in theory. That will be considered a successful market research study from a business point of view.

    They chose a different market, a market where there is more money to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBX View Post
    Very interesting. It looks like they will fit 6 cylinder BMW petrol and diesel turbo engine options combined with 8 speed gearbox (probably auto) and their own transfer box. This will be combined with 2 solid beam axles on coil suspension. 3 difflocks to be fitted.

    Just hope they do not get locked into some design copy battle in court.

    The BMW engine LR we built in SA was an early warning that this is what the market wants.

    Just show what can happen if you don't listen to your own customer base. LR spent 50 + years building a good product and reputation and then change direction into something not suited or affordable to their market.

    If the Grenadier sell at between R 400K and R 600K then LR Defender will have an uphill battle.
    I read somewhere recently that Land Rover have already launched a copyright infringement lawsuit against INEOS - and the initial court decision went against LR. With the cash resources of the TATA group behind them, They will probably appeal and keep appealing. The silly thing is that the new Defender and the Grenadier appeal to different types of customers. The Grenadier will poach few, if any, potential new Defender customers and vice versa. I agree with the comments that the Grenadier is what LR should have done to update the Defender.

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