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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Vir my die heel beste van die voertuig: van alle nuwe voertuie op die horison, lyk dit by verre die meeste na n Land Rover.
    Almal love dit. Behalwe die Land Rover manne.
    Hey! Ek like dit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Vir my die heel beste van die voertuig: van alle nuwe voertuie op die horison, lyk dit by verre die meeste na n Land Rover.
    Almal love dit. Behalwe die "DEFENDER" manne.
    fixed that last statement quickly

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Ask Alex why 90% of serious American wheelers convert to long arm suspension.
    All the things that I learned from Apoc were on this forum, so unfortunately no more discussions with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenen View Post
    Vir my die heel beste van die voertuig: van alle nuwe voertuie op die horison, lyk dit by verre die meeste na n Land Rover.
    Almal love dit. Behalwe die Nuwe Defender manne.
    Fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jurgen10 View Post
    The actual vehicle could turn out to look like Geoff from Top Gear...
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    Ek verstaan nie heeltemal die sentiment agter die Grenadier nie. Hoekom so opgewonde?

    Die ou wat n 300tdi het, ry hom vandag steeds.
    Die ou wat n td5 het, ry hom vandag steeds.
    Die ou wat n puma het, ry hom vandag steeds.

    Nie een v d bogenoemde manne het ge"upgrade" na 'n nuwe model nie, okay miskien, maar nie die meerderheid nie. Mens kan dit sien in die verkoop syfers v d Puma. En dis nie omdat die Puma n slegter Defender was nie. Die mark was versadig.

    As jy n ou Defender soek, koop die ou Defender. Nie een of ander knock-off nie.

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    I think we all must realise that some will just not get the point of it...
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    So far I have not noted any concerns on the engine options?

    For the die-hard Defender fans who want a rugged vehicle to drive to Cairo and back, surely a high tech BMW diesel that will simply not run on anything but the lowest sulphur diesel is not ideal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    I think we all must realise that some will just not get the point of it...
    I've said it before.

    If you haven't done it, you won't get it.

    It's very difficult for someone who lives and works in a city who doesn't use their vehicle as an off-road tool to make a living to understand the appeal of vehicles like the Grenadier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-V8 View Post
    So far I have not noted any concerns on the engine options?

    For the die-hard Defender fans who want a rugged vehicle to drive to Cairo and back, surely a high tech BMW diesel that will simply not run on anything but the lowest sulphur diesel is not ideal?
    Firstly, you can rive to Cairo and back in a Toyota Tazz. The New Defender will do that pretty well or an Everest.

    Good point however... because fuel quality in remote areas is an issue.

    It'd be great they they could fit a lower tech engine. But legislation makes certain things impossible.

    Perhaps they will have different engine options for different markets. They do seem to be very open to listening to their potential clients.

    If a mine somewhere in the middle of the Congo asks for a lower EU motor, maybe they would do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakkals. View Post
    As jy n ou Defender soek, koop die ou Defender. Nie een of ander knock-off nie.
    En wat gebeur as Defenders dood eenvoudig te oud raak? Goeie gehaalte parte vir 300 Tdis begin al 'n probleem raak.

    Td5s is al 13 jaar van die mark af.

    Pumas is 'n ander debat, hulle was nie baie gewild nie, ek het een gehaad en was spyt dat ek my Td5 ingeruil het op hom.

    Maar hulle gaan ook inelkgeval begin oud raak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    If thinking in a brain dead type of way yes.

    One is a 21st century Land Rover and the other is a wannabe lookalike
    Watch the videos here and you will see what the vision and heart is behind the grenadier is. https://ineosgrenadier.com/reveal a lot of thought has gone into the design by the worlds top engineers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanB View Post
    This sounds like a business plan inspired by a few rounds of fortified coke at a braai.
    Seems like I was just about spot on:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    All the things that I learned from Apoc were on this forum, so unfortunately no more discussions with him.

    What do you mean? Where is Alex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS-V8 View Post
    So far I have not noted any concerns on the engine options?

    For the die-hard Defender fans who want a rugged vehicle to drive to Cairo and back, surely a high tech BMW diesel that will simply not run on anything but the lowest sulphur diesel is not ideal?
    This is a good point....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakkals. View Post
    Ek verstaan nie heeltemal die sentiment agter die Grenadier nie. Hoekom so opgewonde?

    Die ou wat n 300tdi het, ry hom vandag steeds.
    Die ou wat n td5 het, ry hom vandag steeds.
    Die ou wat n puma het, ry hom vandag steeds.

    Nie een v d bogenoemde manne het ge"upgrade" na 'n nuwe model nie, okay miskien, maar nie die meerderheid nie. Mens kan dit sien in die verkoop syfers v d Puma. En dis nie omdat die Puma n slegter Defender was nie. Die mark was versadig.

    As jy n ou Defender soek, koop die ou Defender. Nie een of ander knock-off nie.
    Hi Jakkals sorry for the reply in English, my written Afrikaans is ### sleg.
    I stick with the old Defender because they are simple bush vehicles that will go anywhere and IF looked after will very seldom let you down. I'm not talking Td5 and a Puma.
    If there is an option to buy a new vehicle that is in the same class bush performance wise I'm in, if not then no. I will however always own my Defenders as well.
    My major concern is the engine, my 2.8i bmw engine is vertualy impossible to get spares for up here, never mind in the middle of the Congo. The 200's and 300's you can find spares behind pretty much every bush.
    The fuel is also a major concern, my egg carries I drive till they do about 30k of TZ conditions or the injectors and pumps start giving trouble then get rid of them. I really hope they have taken this into consideration.
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    It pretty much ticks all of my boxes: coil springs, good articulation, full time 4WD (I think: can't find that confirmed anywhere now), six cylinders, hopefully reasonable fuel consumption with plenty power, lots of space, disks all round, hopefully 16 or 17" wheels.

    Which is fantastic and so far unprecedented (I'm a bit fussy...though a Geländewagen is a good option for me, but spares.....which is likely to be the same problem here).

    Some minor things (other than item 1 which is pretty major):

    1. Longer term reliability and support: this is an impossible one to predict, though it all looks good. Will only know when they have been around a year or two. I suspect spares will always be an issue. You cant really get better than a LR Tdi or a Hilux or Cruiser as far as that is concerned.
    2. That engine....I love the fact that its a straight six. One of the fantastic things about my D3: smooth power delivery. But spares and ability to swallow 500 (or more) ppm diesel long term, I am not sure? As previous posters say, maybe they will offer a more rugged version if they really want to target "Africa". As reliable as I am sure that motor is.
    3. Gearbox: an 8 speed auto sticks out as something that definitely has a lot that can go wrong. But having just spent R30k on a gearbox overhaul for our manual Fortuner, thats kind of the way gearboxes can be. But most end-days type people are going to prefer a manual.
    4. Another thing I love about my D3, though its minor: that tailgate. It works really well, top half a short term sun and rain shelter, and bottom half a quick seat or kitchen or spot to change a nappy...(sorry, maybe that one is not so relevant). So although most Defender okes will love what they have done (both sides opening), I am not 100%. But I don't think they could have done anything else

    I know its not relevant to compare to a D3, this is a completely different animal, but those are specifics which are important to me.
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    There's going to be a lot more of this sort of blabla over the coming months, let's hope more concrete info starts coming out.

    https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...think-18538959
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    Nice looking vehicle but I would rather buy a place to stay for that money.

    Ok so I am a cheapskate, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.8i rocks View Post
    There's going to be a lot more of this sort of blabla over the coming months, let's hope more concrete info starts coming out.

    https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...think-18538959
    A very interesting point from that article is that LR has only received 11000 firm orders for the new Defender to date.
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