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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostokkelos View Post
    Uncle Malcolm, we all know you vote Nissan All day long, as would I vote Pajero. Thing is,I actually like Patrols, still cant decide which Non Pajero I like most, the Cruiser 105 or the Y 61 Patrol. I owned three Nissan and 2 Audis three Mercs, a Ford and a Land Rover Disco 2. and Three Mitsubishi's. The only two brands never giving trouble is the Mits and Nissans except for the One Xtrail my wife drove, its gearbox went on 7700km. I have driven 705 000 km in three Mitsubishi 3.2's trouble free, So I am a Nissan fan (a little), but I still believe the Pajero offers more for the money ITO Comfort, year model and fuel consumption. The only Nissans I dont like is the newer ones with Renault motors. But back on topic,
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    I can only comment on Pajero (not Sport)

    I've owned a 2006 and currently a 2011 lwb GLx (this one is actually swambos's). The most reliable vehicles we've owned. Unless you are in an accident you need very little parts.) Family car, bush car, tow car and they last!

    Will most probably be replaced by a Sport as the last child is almost out of home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushNomad View Post
    ... flatter me ... !
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    With the Pajero, if you stay behind a cruiser or Patrol, you will have no scratches. They are wide and clean the road. If it is going to be shared by Swambo and city driving, the Pajero. The big Pajero has one of tightest turning circles. I assume the sport will be the same. Easier parking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvcoller View Post
    Only the 4.2 NA is slow, the rest can sit above the speed limit all day long, how much faster do you want to go? It is an offroader, not a street racer... The 4.2 TD is quick enough and as with the 3.0 Di, 3.0 CRDi gives fuel consunption of 8 to 11km per litre on the open road, not bad for a spacious, large heavy vehicle...

    Yes, the 4.2, 4.5 and 4.8 Petrol engines use more fuel, between 4.5 and 7 km/lt, but if you get it for R100k less than a comparative vehicle, it will take you 10 years to save the extra R100k you spent to catch up what you saved on the Patrol, despite its heavier consumption.

    Despite that, any of the large, big engine competitor vehicles (4lt V6 Toyota Hulux/Fortuner and Nissan Navara/Pathfinder, Land Cruiser 6 cyl & V8, Older Pajero V6, LR V8, FJ Cruiser) all give the same type of fuel consumption.

    High mileage? What would that be? 300k or 400k km. At that mileage the Patrol's engine has hardly been run in. Ask Dungbeetle here on the Forum about the trouble free 850,000 km he has done on his Patrol and the many others whose Patrols are still going as well as when new, even at 500k km plus...

    That UGLY box shape (Y60) is the ICON of the Patrol range, but there are more of the later (Y61) versions available than of the box shape if you do not like the box shape......

    And what do you expect this good price to be, already you can get a low mileage Patrol for R100k cheaper that it's direct opposition. Is that not already good enough price?

    Compare the prices of say 5 or 6 different decent large offroad vehicles, say of the 2010 year model. The Patrol will give you much more "bang for you buck" than any of the others.
    Why is the Nissan's price so low? - Unfortunately it is purely due to Nissan SA's poor marketing.
    In Australia and Europe it is considered a tough, sought after 4x4, even those that are 20 or 25 years old. There is just no end to them,,,

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    And other than an accident damaged Patrol, I have never seen one on the back of a Flatbed Recovery vehicle.....

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    I think they are both fantastic vehicles. We own a Gen3 LWB. I’ve never had the pleasure of owning a patrol. I will one day.

    thankfully neither of them are Toyotas!!!
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    This thread is exactly why you don't ask for vehicle advise on a 4x4 forum.
    My 2 cents worth, Land Rover stopped existing in the 90's with the exception of the 2.8i in 2001 anything older forget it and if you don't have a masochistic streak stay away altogether
    Basically buy the PS
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushNomad View Post
    Most reliable Landrovers are D2, D1 and Defenders ... and most reliable engines 200TDI, 300TDI , simple V8s and TD5s ... probably in that order.
    If you go LR , I’d say go for a Defender with a fully recon 300TDi.
    Problem is he's looking for 2008 - 2012...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.8i rocks View Post
    This thread is exactly why you don't ask for vehicle advise on a 4x4 forum.
    My 2 cents worth, Land Rover stopped existing in the 90's with the exception of the 2.8i in 2001 anything older forget it and if you don't have a masochistic streak stay away altogether
    Basically buy the PS
    ... so looking at your own car ownership time-line,
    you must be mainly driving that Amarok platcar these days ... and only ‘ to fetch eggs ‘ ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushNomad View Post
    ... so looking at your own car ownership time-line,
    you must be mainly driving that Amarok platcar these days ... and only ‘ to fetch eggs ‘ ?
    What can I say I'm a masochistic, Landy's, Mog, DAF, Piglet the Cruiser and the shopping trolly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainier Vermaak View Post
    So your Jeep opinion is based on?
    2 friends, a uncle and 2 clients who has issues from Igintion systems, to heads going, and 4 off them electronic issues that cost a massive amount of money to repair. O and theres GBox failures. I didn't even wanted to go into that, but you asked. Friend is a DP at a well known Brand dealership, he said they dont even want to trade in Grand Cherokee Diesels, theres allways comebacks. It got to a stafe that they offer silly money to the trade in so they can provide 30/40k provision just to cover comebacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostokkelos View Post
    2 friends, a uncle and 2 clients who has issues from Igintion systems, to heads going, and 4 off them electronic issues that cost a massive amount of money to repair. O and theres GBox failures. I didn't even wanted to go into that, but you asked. Friend is a DP at a well known Brand dealership, he said they dont even want to trade in Grand Cherokee Diesels, theres allways comebacks. It got to a stafe that they offer silly money to the trade in so they can provide 30/40k provision just to cover comebacks
    On WK’s?
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    I guess you won't look at probably the only reliable Landrover, the D4 V8? My boet still has his for sale... Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
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    I grew up with landrovers. With v6, v8. Rover diffs. Lwb, swb, bakkies, delivery, Overland landys. Then we bought one of the first 4x4 toyotas with a v6 conversion in 1990, And we never looked back. 16 years later it needed a new body. It was sold and is still doing duty today with a contractor. Most, if not all modern 4x4s can do the same as a landrover, lighter on fuel and more comfortable. The only time a landy is comfortable is when its loded with a ton. My personal choice. Isuzu or Pajero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
    Reading this OP again and unpacking the themes in it, your only real option is the Mitsubishi because you’re looking for longevity and reasonably priced repairs and spares etc.

    However, and this coming from a long time Pajero owner, I would also say to you that looking at a Fortuner is also a very good idea although you won’t get the same bang for buck as the Paj Sport when buying.
    Great thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imgreg View Post
    I will drop this and run off to work

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.8i rocks View Post
    This thread is exactly why you don't ask for vehicle advise on a 4x4 forum.
    My 2 cents worth, Land Rover stopped existing in the 90's with the exception of the 2.8i in 2001 anything older forget it and if you don't have a masochistic streak stay away altogether
    Basically buy the PS
    Meh.... gotta take the good with the bad. But all Input is considered, and a general theme determined. Thanks!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepiscool View Post
    I guess you won't look at probably the only reliable Landrover, the D4 V8? My boet still has his for sale... Click image for larger version. 

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    Price??
    Now here’s the problem that I originally had - for a second hand vehicle like this, dependent on price, there’s a lot of vehicle you can get.

    Unfortunately - I do not have experience with LR’s, nor the D4. I don’t know which engines are good etc. i do know that some mates who bought old defenders, had constant issues. Oil leaks etc.
    A mate also had his engine go (Range Rover) had to send his car to his brother at Scribante in Kyalami to basically replace the engine. His wife also had an issue with hers, on her Freelander I think it was.

    Simply put - I don’t wish to piss away money.
    Totally understand “second hand comes with second hand problems”.

    Buying new - massive depreciation. Trying to find that right balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisWright View Post
    Price??
    Now here’s the problem that I originally had - for a second hand vehicle like this, dependent on price, there’s a lot of vehicle you can get.

    Unfortunately - I do not have experience with LR’s, nor the D4. I don’t know which engines are good etc. i do know that some mates who bought old defenders, had constant issues. Oil leaks etc.
    A mate also had his engine go (Range Rover) had to send his car to his brother at Scribante in Kyalami to basically replace the engine. His wife also had an issue with hers, on her Freelander I think it was.

    Simply put - I don’t wish to piss away money.
    Totally understand “second hand comes with second hand problems”.

    Buying new - massive depreciation. Trying to find that right balance.
    The D4 and the Pajero are really not remotely in the same “class” of car. D4 much more of a luxury vehicle and with the associated price tag, including servicing costs. Many more systems to break. Much quieter, more plush on road, and marginally more capable off road. The v8 seems to be the way to go compared to the 3.0 diesel. For reliability - pajero all day long.

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