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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    That would be valid if I was commenting on and looking at buy a Gladiator...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    and THAT is what shreds my gonads

    Who really NEEDS park distance control and a rear view camera and park assist and testicle airbags and a heated bloody cup holder?

    But we'll whine when we buy that over-specced mall poser pavement queen with all the plastic tupperware accessories.

    Why not buy ENTRY LEVEL. Some of us should try it. An aircon is probably the ONLY mandatory requirement in any basic vehicle.
    We bought a second hand (2018) BASIC Isuzu KB250 4x4. (The Hi-Rider version, not the X-Rider).

    When comparing vith to the Trailblazer we had, the Isuzu does not have:

    Cruise control
    Electric driver seat
    Climate control (aircon only)
    Steering wheel controls for the radio
    Lights under the sun shield visor thingies
    A place for your sunglasses
    Leather seats
    Rear PDC

    Of ALL of this, I only miss the cruise control and steering wheel controls. And maybe the very basic cabin light is a bit of a pain.

    But it's a BAKKIE plain and simple. We did a 4000km trip through the Karoo in December. 6 month old in the car. And it was FUN. I like getting into the bakkie. I like driving it.

    I would love a fully specced 300 Dmax. But I would have to compromise on future investments and I won't be able to afford to take it anywhere.

    And in the end, I was able to buy an almost brand new 4x4 with a flippen nice Bushtec canopy for R375k. Thats half price of a new top spec one.
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    Having been in the industry on both sides (manufacturing and sales) I have a bit of an idea on the costing. The "bells and whistels" actually don't add that much to a vehicle's cost. And contrary to popular believe an old vehicle, like the 79 is not cheaper. In fact, due to design, it might be more expensive to build due to less automation in the original concept.

    Manufacturing vehicles is just an expensive exercise with enormous overheads and capital investments. Having said that, some vehicles, like the 79 I guess, can be priced higher due to demand.

    The current situation I think is by and large forex related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markb View Post
    And to think that back in 94, I picked up my nice shiny new 280 Turbo DC Isuzu with diff loc and central locking, from the factory, complete with canopy, and I had to kiss serious corporate ass to get it, for the princely sum of R75K!
    And I filled it's 90 L tank for less than R100!
    So roughly prices have increased 10x in almost thirty years?

    About R700k for new Isuzu double cab, about R1k to fill your tank....

    So in 2050 will we be paying R7mil for a bakkie and R10k for a tank of diesel....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reece View Post
    So in 2050 will we be paying R7mil for a bakkie and R10k for a tank of diesel....?
    1) bakkies will probably be outlawed
    2) if they aren't, it all be automated driving
    3) if I'm still around, I doubt I'll be allowed to drive anyway
    4) all vehicles will be EV
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    i have a 79, its a very nice no frills 4x4, had it two years, did it cost a arm and a leg, sure did, can i trade it on something else and not lose money on it, sure i can, what other bakkie can do the same. we talking out the box not a repo or second hand thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Toyota can put an ox-wagon on the market and people will pay a premium for it.
    If the Japs cold have made the oxen wagons in the previous century we would have at least still more of them now.
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    the 79 is something like a ox wagon , but does have a v8 in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLK View Post
    If the Japs cold have made the oxen wagons in the previous century we would have at least still more of them now.
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    Lets not talk about the ridiculous prices on second hand D4-D's, especially the Legend 45's.

    Guys are crazy with their expectations when selling them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caracal View Post
    Lets not talk about the ridiculous prices on second hand D4-D's, especially the Legend 45's.

    Guys are crazy with their expectations when selling them.
    Valid point. Seems the GD6s both 2.4 and 2.8 are more reasonably priced second hand. A decent 2.4 4x4 d/c can be had for under R400k, which is not bad I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reece View Post
    Valid point. Seems the GD6s both 2.4 and 2.8 are more reasonably priced second hand. A decent 2.4 4x4 d/c can be had for under R400k, which is not bad I think
    Yep.

    Having owned both a D4-D and a 2.4 GD-6, I would take the 2.4 any day of the week. Plus they don;t steal them. Yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reece View Post
    Yet......
    Cant get a GD-6 into a Ses'fikile, doesnt fit
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    A few years ago some three pointed star brand entered the market.

    Prices were insane with mediocre performance. I said then that over time the competition will lift their prices so that a R700k bakkie becomes the new base from which to judge.

    We all said the VW was pricey and the same price escalation to the high 500ís occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazerb2 View Post
    A few years ago some three pointed star brand entered the market.

    Prices were insane with mediocre performance. I said then that over time the competition will lift their prices so that a R700k bakkie becomes the new base from which to judge.

    We all said the VW was pricey and the same price escalation to the high 500ís occurred.
    yep, my theory is that NAAMSA does this to test the appetite of the market for premium pickups and then adjusts all their prices accordingly
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    and THAT is what shreds my gonads

    Who really NEEDS park distance control and a rear view camera and park assist and testicle airbags and a heated bloody cup holder?

    But we'll whine when we buy that over-specced mall poser pavement queen with all the plastic tupperware accessories.

    Why not buy ENTRY LEVEL. Some of us should try it. An aircon is probably the ONLY mandatory requirement in any basic vehicle.
    I have done that, bought the NP300 2.5tdi LWB for R206k and Im adding the nice to haves as I save for them. One does not need all this fancy kuk new bakkies comes with. They cost you R700k but they are as soft as a troep after he had blou fieterjoel.

    A bakkie needs to feel like a bakkie and drive like one too and you dont have to cringe every time you load something on the bak because you are scared of dents and scratches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    So explain the 79's price?
    Basically its Toyota making a LOT of money out of their cliets....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    And contrary to popular believe an old vehicle, like the 79 is not cheaper. In fact, due to design, it might be more expensive to build due to less automation in the original concept.

    Manufacturing vehicles is just an expensive exercise with enormous overheads and capital investments. Having said that, some vehicles, like the 79 I guess, can be priced higher due to demand.
    Sorry, I don't completely buy that. Maybe on initial launch but by now the toolset and dies and jigs would all have been paid for. It isn't a new design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Sorry, I don't completely buy that. Maybe on initial launch but by now the toolset and dies and jigs would all have been paid for. It isn't a new design.
    While that is true, utility theory comes into play. I am willing to bet that some of the "prestige" of having a Cruiser is attached to the price (exclusivity) attached. If they drop the price, they will actually loose sales.
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