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    Hi guys.

    I could not find the "health thread" so just posting randomly


    This is aimed at those of you who have some sort of heart condition or merely taking meds as a precaution.

    Yesterday I was at a Specialist to have a bit of an irregular heart beat checked out.

    The conversation led to Ecotrin. He advised me to stop taking it as it has been proven to be of more harm than good, this with respect to making the blood too thin. I asked about plain aspirin and he replied the same.

    Anyone else heard the same? What can be used as an alternative?

    Thoughts appreciated.

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    Supposed to be on Ecotrin, because cholesterol was slightly up
    Doc said it would prevent stroke ( I actually have LOW blood pressure )

    Stopped taking Ecotrin because minor cuts during diy used to literally turn into a blood bath

    Each Doc seems to have his own pet treatment imo.....get second opinion

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    My mom uses Ecotrin because she has a pacemaker. Her dosage was adjusted to by her cardiologist and is very low. I think she only drinks it 3 times per week. She has no bleeding problems.

    I think if the blood gets too thin, the dosage is too high. Similar to Warfarin I guess where the exact dosage should be determined.
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    i have had a few things go wrong,a pinch cyanne pepper every day works like a bomb. if you ever in a hastle or having a attack two teaspoons in hot water if you have nothing else on hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu Fan View Post
    Hi guys.

    I could not find the "health thread" so just posting randomly


    This is aimed at those of you who have some sort of heart condition or merely taking meds as a precaution.

    Yesterday I was at a Specialist to have a bit of an irregular heart beat checked out.

    The conversation led to Ecotrin. He advised me to stop taking it as it has been proven to be of more harm than good, this with respect to making the blood too thin. I asked about plain aspirin and he replied the same.

    Anyone else heard the same? What can be used as an alternative?

    Thoughts appreciated.

    Cheers
    I find it strange that specialist would advise against taking the drug but not offer an alternative. I have been on Ecotrin for 8 years, have not died yet, not even once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu Fan View Post
    ....... making the blood too thin. I asked about plain aspirin and he replied the same........
    My mother in law nearly bled to death during a routine back op a few years ago. She regularly took disprins "to make her blood thinner" (old aged home peer advice) but did not tell anyone about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter bee View Post
    i have had a few things go wrong,a pinch cyanne pepper every day works like a bomb. if you ever in a hastle or having a attack two teaspoons in hot water if you have nothing else on hand.
    Thanks.

    Interesting I was advised by a reflexologist a few years back to take Cayenne pepper to improve blood circulation. I take 2 caps per day.

    If they thin blood then I can drop the Ecrotrin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
    I find it strange that specialist would advise against taking the drug but not offer an alternative. I have been on Ecotrin for 8 years, have not died yet, not even once.
    What can I say Paul.

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    I am on my back in a High Care unit as I am typing this. I came for an angiogram, and all went well. My cardiologist would rather have me on that rat poison two of my cousins used before they moved on.

    I simply cannot afford the alternatives, because medical aid refuse to pay around R 1200 per month and my 15 years on retirement budget simply does not allow that from daily living budget, so I will stay with ecotrin. Have been on it for ten years. I excercise regularly, do not smoke and drink red wine in moderation, say three bottles a week.

    My cardiac complaints are not ecotrin related, and my previous cardiologist who moved on to become an academic said my chances of ecotrin failing me is about seven percent bigger than the next best medication. I am prepared to live with those odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu Fan View Post
    What can I say Paul.

    Methinks you have used 8 of your 9 lives.
    Ive been on Ecotrin for 12 years......
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    Disclaimer:This post relates to medical advice and any health concerns should be discussed with your doctor.

    Aspirin reduces platelet aggregation, I.e makes them less sticky thus preventing clot formation.

    Disprin =300mg Aspirin
    Eco trim = 81 mg Aspirin

    Risks: bleeding, gastrointestinal symptoms, ulceration in the stomach. Reye syndrome,

    It is a well researched and age old drug with very favourable risk and benefit profile.


    A 2006 review[3] states: "...low-dose aspirin increases the risk of major bleeding 2-fold compared with placebo. However, the annual incidence of major bleeding due to low-dose aspirin is modest—only 1.3 patients per thousand higher than what is observed with placebo treatment. Treatment of approximately 800 patients with low-dose aspirin annually for cardiovascular prophylaxis will result in only 1 additional major bleeding episode."

    Clopidrogel is an alternative to Aspirin. It takes about 5 days after the last dose to clear your system.

    I still trust Aspirin as a preventer if clot formation in ischaemic heart disease and stroke. The actual cost of preventing 1 stroke event in 1996 was R<200 for Aspirin vs R3.1million for Statin therapy.

    Please read up about risk assessment for prescribing Aspirin

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    After my severe cases of flatulence and acid reflux and the resultant operation to fix afore mentioned, cardio has me on Aspavor, Cardio Aspirin and Coveram.
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    Default Re: For the over 50's with heart jitters

    Just over 10 years ago, when I was 39, I was dignosed with a busted Mitral valve and a semi clogged artery. Long story short, had open heart surgery
    (Dr Kinsley from Sunninghill Hospital), defective mitral valve replaced with artificial valve and one artery bypass with artery from leg. Been very healthy after the op, so much so, my cardiologist only wants to see me every 2 years.

    I take the following:

    Morning: Cardicor: They could never get my resting heartbeat to settle down to under 80 bpm. Cardicor sorts that out
    Morning: Tareg: Blood pressure. That was also high after op but is spot on when using the Tareg
    Morning:Ecotrin: Been taking it for 10 years, since the op, together with the warfarin, with no issues.
    Evening: Warfarin: For the rest of my life

    Just after my operation I had an irregular heartbeat that only happened occasionally. Dr said it is fine, it should settle down, and it did. My heart will now, very infrequently, stop and skip a beat, then a few quick ones like it is trying to catch up, then it settles into the normal beat. He never mentioned Ecotrin as being an issue.

    I can not advise you what to take as alternative, however, maybe go see another cardiologist for a second opinion.

    Anyway, good luck, I hope they can sort you out, whatever the issue is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poen View Post
    I am on my back in a High Care unit as I am typing this. I came for an angiogram, and all went well. My cardiologist would rather have me on that rat poison two of my cousins used before they moved on.

    I simply cannot afford the alternatives, because medical aid refuse to pay around R 1200 per month and my 15 years on retirement budget simply does not allow that from daily living budget, so I will stay with ecotrin. Have been on it for ten years. I excercise regularly, do not smoke and drink red wine in moderation, say three bottles a week.

    My cardiac complaints are not ecotrin related, and my previous cardiologist who moved on to become an academic said my chances of ecotrin failing me is about seven percent bigger than the next best medication. I am prepared to live with those odds.

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    Well over 20 years back I went to the doctor (GP) as I had sometimes uneven heart beat. He said there are few reasons. We start with one of the most common. Blood test for kalium. Too low. Eat Slow K for 30 days. No uneven things. Stop taking as per doctor. Shortly start again. Doctor says take slow K daily. Can I eat bananas. No you cannot eat enough. Find out why Kalium is getting low. Too expensive and inconclusive results. Take one Slow K daily. No uneven beat. No prescription required.

    Later on an other doctor gave low dose of beta blocker for an other type heart issue. Still having it.

    Do I have problems - No/nothing.

    Kalium is "proper chemical" name for Potassium.

    SWAMBO has Ecotrin for what ever reason.

    Edit: Those with occasional heart beat issue maybe have kalium level checked after talking GP
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    Thanks for the replies guys.

    My actual problem needs micro surgery to be sorted but it not bad enough to operate yet.

    In essence my heart beat normally for about 6 to 7 beats and then will give a beat just before the regular one is supposed to happen. And because of this the beat after that is delayed which gives a bit of a naar gevoel.

    I have had the condition since I was 26 years old but it has only got bad in the last 6 months.

    It is apparently a single nerve in the lower left chamber that gets out of order and makes the muscles react. To find this nerve is like looking for the spot a brick was thrown into a swimming pool with only the waves to use as reference.

    The op entails local anesthesia and insertion of a catheter into the groin vein, then entry into the ventricle. The surgeon then waits for the premature beat and tries to home in on the naughty nerve. Which hopefully continues being naughty so he can find it. That day still. He then burns it dead.

    He says that the op normaly gets done when there is a 200% divergence of the cardiogram line against normal and I am now only at. 0.2 %. Judging with what I feel 200% must be very uncomfortable.

    Most importantly it is not life threatening.

    And what is weird is when I am active this does not occur at all.

    Anyway I have to live with it until it is more regularly present and then go see him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blikka View Post
    Just over 10 years ago, when I was 39, I was dignosed with a busted Mitral valve and a semi clogged artery. Long story short, had open heart surgery
    (Dr Kinsley from Sunninghill Hospital), defective mitral valve replaced with artificial valve and one artery bypass with artery from leg. Been very healthy after the op, so much so, my cardiologist only wants to see me every 2 years.

    I take the following:

    Morning: Cardicor: They could never get my resting heartbeat to settle down to under 80 bpm. Cardicor sorts that out
    Morning: Tareg: Blood pressure. That was also high after op but is spot on when using the Tareg
    Morning:Ecotrin: Been taking it for 10 years, since the op, together with the warfarin, with no issues.
    Evening: Warfarin: For the rest of my life

    Just after my operation I had an irregular heartbeat that only happened occasionally. Dr said it is fine, it should settle down, and it did. My heart will now, very infrequently, stop and skip a beat, then a few quick ones like it is trying to catch up, then it settles into the normal beat. He never mentioned Ecotrin as being an issue.

    I can not advise you what to take as alternative, however, maybe go see another cardiologist for a second opinion.

    Anyway, good luck, I hope they can sort you out, whatever the issue is.
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    I'm am loathe to post any medical advice/opinions on any forum as I am not a doctor and believe Google doctors are dangerous, but please go for second or even third opinion when diagnosed........my doctor put me on Lipitor(statin) about 13 years ago when I should never been on them.......it poisoned me and although I am much better I honestly believe some damage is irreversible
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