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    It's called the EA888 engine and is actually widely regarded as very good. Multiple International Engine of the Year awards and Ward's Best Engine awards. Very good combination of performance, economy and reliability. In my opinion, to obtain all 3, complexity is inevitable.

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    Thanks Francois, think few is aware of you technical credentials.

    My next question to all respondents to this thread who have actually opened this engine in person?

    The next question who has seen an opened engine.

    The last one what is your experience on engines to judge and make reliable conclusions when you see it dismantled.

    I am with Francois and believe his judgement seeing him spend several years with Volkswagen as a technician.

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    So yes GTI`s are fast little high performance cars leading the pack. With so many around you also hear the bad things along with the good.

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    I have not seen an EA888 engine opened, but I expect it to be complex

    Would Oom Francois like to share an example of what he saw and thought to be unnecessarily complex? Not trying to stir, troll or whatever it is called. I'm just an interested auto enthusiast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kambro View Post
    I have not seen an EA888 engine opened, but I expect it to be complex

    Would Oom Francois like to share an example of what he saw and thought to be unnecessarily complex? Not trying to stir, troll or whatever it is called. I'm just an interested auto enthusiast
    First off the crankpulley set up. Why have it interlock like that? The whole chain arrangement. The funny fasteners used, The integrated "tappet cover" if you can call it that. The very compact camshaft arrangement. The stupid little oil strainer. A one time use timing cover!

    If you hear of an engine where a particular part has had more than two revisions, you know you're in trouble.

    Just some background on why and how I got here. I have been rather serious to get myself a GTi as a late mid life crisis treat but having heard some negative stories from some very reliable sources, I decided to dig a bit deeper. I am on a good footing with the local VW dealer also since I have bought a new vehicle from them not so long ago. From what I've seen in the design have scared me.

    Yes the GTi and all other cars fitted with this engine are fantastic to drive. Yet I have decided against it. Not for me.

    Just my personal observation and opinion. I have always loved my VW's, as mentioned on my 19th one now, but I'll think twice next time round.
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    Thx for sharing Oom Francois. It's a pity. Would love to know VW's reasons behind it.

    As Oom said, they are fantastic to drive. I drove a Aud S3 a while back (same generation of engine, just a few more horses). Astonishing performance and power delivery for a 2L. And if you back off, it even gives decent fuel consumption.

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    I was in a workshop where the guys was working on a twin turbo 320 BMW. It took 3 sweating guys to get 1 little bolt in!
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    Thanks Francois I'll watch that clip. On someone else's comment regarding the complexity of this engine to achieve performance and fuel consumption, we get city consumption of 13l/100km when driving light footed...


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    Agree 100% with the 'complicated' remark but I think the video relates to a known problem - Audi 2.0T Timing Chain Recalls and VW Timing Chain Settlement?

    (I was bitten by the 2009 EA888 oil use issue with my Audi A4 2.0 TFSI which is also well documented so I am not blind to the possible defects, but I also do think the platform has 'matured' and is not notorious for failing? Having said that, while I am also a fan (3 x VWs currently) - will I buy it? Nope!) Maybe all these intricate designs are an inevitable byproduct of trying to get the competitive edge in design, cost effective manufacturing, performance, regulations etc?

    PS : Due to exactly the reasons of being 'complicated' (as it might = high maintenance = plenty RRRR's) etc, I am also moving away from the more high tech platforms. I honesty can't see how the ave person can risk owning a very high tech vehicle beyond the expiry of a motor plan these days.
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    Just as an example the 2.4 ( and of coarse the 2.2) engine used by ford and LR is covered with stretch bolts.

    Almost all are and the timing cover is also use once only.
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    Manufactures understand the the Internal combustion engine is in its late sunset years as a engine. Also I would imagine these new engines are being build without the expectation of it being opened to maintain its forecast life span- similar to the gear box oil for life scenario

    The new car buyer market hardly ever keeps a car past its motor plan/warranty expiration. The prospect of costly repairs is one of the reasons why. This suites car manufactures of any kind. They want to sell more new cars instead of maintaining old past warranty ones.

    Build in obsolescence is part of the design to encourage new car sales. With clever financial products its becoming more and more affordable to have a vehicle installment with a motor plan than a paid off car that requires out of pocket maintenance and repairs - especially when using agents

    This obviously depends on home much mileage you do.

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    The thing that looks most worrying to me is a plastic chain slider on the tension side of the chain, maybe due to physical packaging constraints.

    But then my experience ends with old tech engines like this, with proper roller guides for the chain.
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    The EA888 2.0TSI from 09 to 2012 had its fair share of issues, My 2012 GTI was my least reliable car I have ever owned. I know many people who destroyed pistons in various VW/Audi models sporting said engine. Between chain tensioners, coil packs, water pumps, radiators and piston ring issues you would experience at least one or all of these if you had the vehicle long enough. Some items can be taken care of as preventative maintenance which would make your ownership relatively decent but some things you just could not avoid. I was never left stranded at the side of the road luckily but I had one to many issues. The newer EA888 as found in the newer MK7 GTI's I beleive are way more reliable and robust so that's good news at least!
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    Quote Originally Posted by faniedup View Post
    The thing that looks most worrying to me is a plastic chain slider on the tension side of the chain, maybe due to physical packaging constraints.

    But then my experience ends with old tech engines like this, with proper roller guides for the chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterOos View Post
    Agree 100% with the 'complicated' remark but I think the video relates to a known problem - Audi 2.0T Timing Chain Recalls and VW Timing Chain Settlement?

    (I was bitten by the 2009 EA888 oil use issue with my Audi A4 2.0 TFSI which is also well documented so I am not blind to the possible defects, but I also do think the platform has 'matured' and is not notorious for failing? Having said that, while I am also a fan (3 x VWs currently) - will I buy it? Nope!) Maybe all these intricate designs are an inevitable byproduct of trying to get the competitive edge in design, cost effective manufacturing, performance, regulations etc?

    PS : Due to exactly the reasons of being 'complicated' (as it might = high maintenance = plenty RRRR's) etc, I am also moving away from the more high tech platforms. I honesty can't see how the ave person can risk owning a very high tech vehicle beyond the expiry of a motor plan these days.
    Yes, yes, yes....

    PETROL /DIESEL IS SOOOO LAST YEAR!

    Time to go electric, less complex, more reliable (so Tesla says,) and less maintenance.

    The combustion engine has reached its pinnacle, to get any minor improvement requires huge complexity, the margin of improvement is decreasing....

    So gents, what electric cars do VW have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLandy View Post
    So gents, what electric cars do VW have?
    ID3, ID4, e-Golf etc

    ​​VW gearing up to launch electric cars in South Africa

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    I really like the e-Golf, came close to buying one when living in London. i think they are great for town commute, but then again with our electricity supply issues - it is hard to see how ownership can be viable and affordable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thabogrobler View Post
    I was in a workshop where the guys was working on a twin turbo 320 BMW. It took 3 sweating guys to get 1 little bolt in!
    Just a FYI, 320 BMW is single turbo.
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    VW can still do do a simple engine: my VW Vivo is almost as simple as my old Vauxall Viva.

    To get back to simplicity, looks like we have to go electric.
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