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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Maybe you see a G4K4 classification as a joke but spare a though for us guys who was not so fortunate to be in excellent health when leaving school yet still tried our best to do our part like our mates....................
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    It was funny how we tried to hide medical conditions when klaaring in, like Asthma, to make sure we got the G1K1 classification. There were a few times later on that we wished we had not.


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    On our train to 2 SAI (Walvisbaai) a couple of guys were gulping down tins of condensed milk in the hope that it will help to get them out, it didn't work out for them.

    Then there was this poor guy, IIRC a Jehova witness, and after two years of his six year stint carrying bedpans (community service) around he decided that's it - he is going to do his two years and get it over and done with. At the medical examination it was discovered he had a serious medical condition, got his G5K5 and got permanently discharged from the army. He was really seriously disappointed as he was so excited to start with training.

    Yeah this G1K1 story - on JL's a guy who shared the tent with me picked up serious flu (with a high fever etc) during winter in Heidelberg. We always had this threat that if you report sick you will be thrown off the course so he didn't. Well he ended army with serious heart valve issues caused by strenuous physical exercise while so sick. Very high price paid
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    Good to hear from a fellow 2 SAI Bn Gp member. Were you also at Rooikop Pieter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterOos View Post
    got his G5K5 and got permanently discharged from the army.
    Interesting the G5K5 classification. I was not aware of such.

    As it was explained to me, and this was in the mid 80s, the G was your medical fitness (not physical fitness) for specific tasks, G1 ultra good medical condition down to G4 which was the worst your health could be and still serve, obviously in a suited mustering. Then there was GT, which was a temporary send home classification for serious but curable conditions. Once your condition cleared up you return to start National Service. There was also a time limit attached at which time you have to report again, even if your condition was not resolved. The military doctors will then decide as there were cases when a "friendly" family doctor can keep one out of service for a long time. The last/lowest classification I know of was GP, permanent unsuited for military service due to a medical condition. Phycological conditions fell under this classification.

    The K classification determined how far your base could be from a specific class of military medical facility. K4 had to be near a military hospital, think 100Km radius, thus K4 servicemen normally served at bases near Pretoria to be near 1 Mil, or Cape Town, near 2 Mil.

    Not that these rules were hard and fast as my serving as a G4K4 on the border attest. Grooties had excellent facilities but specialised in trauma, not in orthopedic medicine and did not classify as a K4 facility.
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    Found this on another forum:

    G1/G2: indicates total fitness for ground duties
    G3: Physical activities are limited and these are clearly defined by relevant restriction codes
    G4: Member is only fit for admin duties

    K refers to the “geographic and environmental factors”

    K1: Member is suitable for service in all geographical areas
    K2: Unfit for active operations in the field and unfit for foreign deployment, may render service in temporary unit base areas and may do routine border patrols
    K3: Unfit for active operations in the field and unfit for foreign deployment, may only render service in units permanent base areas
    K4: Member is only fit for restricted service in base area where specialised and general medical service is available.

    The reality was a totally different thing.

    G1K1: Healthy, perfect canon fodder, no missing limbs, has own teeth.
    G2K1: Healthy but wearing glasses, dentures, hearing aid or had bad eyes, physically OK, perfect canon fodder too.
    G2K2: As above.
    G3K3: Usually asthma sufferers were G3.
    G4K4: These were troops with serious medical problems. “Suurstof diewe”. Usually ended up as clerks or storemen.
    GT: Temporary deferment due to medical grounds.
    G5/GP: The army considered you dead, you were of no use to them at all. Medically discharged. (The ideal classification to have)

    But even that is not the whole truth. I have glasses, yet was still classified G1K1.

    But I do remember lots of jokes and legends about G5 K fu#$%dup...
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    When I was at 3 SAI there was this very tall afrikaans dude who claimed to be death. I have forgotten the terminology. Whats the first three months you do ?

    Anyway he would always turn left when everyone turned right while marching and if everyone halted he would carry on. I believed he was deaf. They asked his school and did there homework but he said it was something new.
    They made him carry big rocks for punishment and were mean to him. He stuck to his guns.They did specialized tests on him. Once firing an R4 on automatic by his head while he wasnt watching.He did flinch but claimed he feels vibrations.

    Eventually a major called him in and told him if he carries on with his crap they will court marshall him and he will go to jail.Or he could come clean and no further punishment would be issued.He had done this for about three months.
    He came clean and admitted that was faking.The Major looked at him and laughed and said if he had stuck to his guns he would have medically discharged him.

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    Unfortunately there were a lot of gyppos in the army, genuine conditions were ok but a lot of "suurstof diewe" tried their luck and when the going got tough a lot of guys went for the g4k4 deal. Then there were the other side of the coin guys that were not eligible for call up, we had a couple of guys like that in basics. I remember two of then pretty well, the one, Greigan was a greek citizen or had a greek passport and volunteered for the military. This poor son of a cafe owner just wanted to do his best and bit for his new country but was not suited to our military at all, besides having two left feet he also had 10 thumbs and out in the bush the cries of a jackal had him freaking out. Needless to say the instructors nailed this guy all the time, if it was not a bed being thrown at inspection it was clothes not ironed to spec, more often than not petty nonsense just to chase the daylights out of the guy. Our basics was real tough, we had competitions with 1 parachute battalion as well as a few other specialist corps, see out instructors were all DB instructors and constantly revved us about the bokkoppe and signals having such a good life and getting pass over the weekends, a lot of bull twang to build a barrier between us and the rest of the military MPs was supposed to respect only other MPs as they were the only ones that had the same training.

    Greigan's last trip with us was on a coinops patrol, this happened at Walman's stal just outside Pretoria and the routes we were given took us through at least 4 old cemeteries as well as a good spin through the swam and marsh area. He was stresses out of his mind, it was a night march with about a quarter moon that only rose after 10. Every little night sound from insects to nightjars freaked this guy out and when the jackal started calling we had a hard time from keeping him from making a run for it. We got back to camp eventually at about 4 am and as he was accustomed to he got in his pajamas and had a wash in his staaldak while the rest did not even take off our boots, we knew we were going to be chased out pretty soon.
    Next thing there was this blood curdling scream unlike anything I have ever heard, Greigan was gone like lightning, his sleeping bag was torn open and he was off in to the night. From his sleeping bag a very cheesed off leguaan appeared apparently it "found its way" in to the sleeping bag........ yea right.

    We found Greigan in a knob thorn tree the next morning at about 9, as shivering and bloodied mess, his nerves had cracked and he was taken by chopper to 1mil psyc ward, he never came back to unit.

    This guy should never had been the military, besides not knowing anything of nature he was totally incompetent in that environment, had this incident not happened his heart would have given out during pt.

    A genuine g4 k4 should not try and be Rambo but for the many gyppos ........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiceman View Post
    Good to hear from a fellow 2 SAI Bn Gp member. Were you also at Rooikop Pieter?
    I was at Rooikop as a Tiffie in 1974 .We stayed at the base in Walvis and drove to Rooikop every day in a vasbyt Bedford

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    Seeing we talking about health classification, who else here was G1K1N1?
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    "But even that is not the whole truth. I have glasses, yet was still classified G1K1."

    Yip, same. AND I only found out during these... "tests" that I am colour blind...

    One more for the fodder.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    Found this on another forum:

    G1/G2: indicates total fitness for ground duties
    G3: Physical activities are limited and these are clearly defined by relevant restriction codes
    G4: Member is only fit for admin duties

    K refers to the “geographic and environmental factors”

    K1: Member is suitable for service in all geographical areas
    K2: Unfit for active operations in the field and unfit for foreign deployment, may render service in temporary unit base areas and may do routine border patrols
    K3: Unfit for active operations in the field and unfit for foreign deployment, may only render service in units permanent base areas
    K4: Member is only fit for restricted service in base area where specialised and general medical service is available.

    The reality was a totally different thing.

    G1K1: Healthy, perfect canon fodder, no missing limbs, has own teeth.
    G2K1: Healthy but wearing glasses, dentures, hearing aid or had bad eyes, physically OK, perfect canon fodder too.
    G2K2: As above.
    G3K3: Usually asthma sufferers were G3.
    G4K4: These were troops with serious medical problems. “Suurstof diewe”. Usually ended up as clerks or storemen.
    GT: Temporary deferment due to medical grounds.
    G5/GP: The army considered you dead, you were of no use to them at all. Medically discharged. (The ideal classification to have)

    But even that is not the whole truth. I have glasses, yet was still classified G1K1.

    But I do remember lots of jokes and legends about G5 K fu#$%dup...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoJan View Post
    Seeing we talking about health classification, who else here was G1K1N1?
    These were the vlooties.
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    Jab, dont let it get to you. Im proud of what you did. Salut my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZuluCowboy View Post
    These were the vlooties.
    Were the Vlooties not G1K1N1 and then S1
    I cant remember that far back.
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    I still have my bed card from basics. Written on the back G1K1W1. Cannot remember anymore what the W were for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapog View Post
    Jab, dont let it get to you. Im proud of what you did. Salut my friend.
    Thanks. Not really letting it get to me but I am gatvol of guys being quick to group and label people. One guy did something bad, etc. and so all the rest who share something with him gets labelled, whether it is race, your 4x4 brand, your beer brand, name it. I just told my story to illustrate that there were many of us who sacrificed sometimes more than the guys who get all the attention and glory.

    But like Henk said, lots of guys milking the system. Being in the G4K4 group made me see that even more than the G1K1 crowd. But do not label us all for the slackness of a few.

    But I have to say this. I do not think Predator meant it in a demeaning way, more like a joke, but such statements are so ingrained in our society that we do not even realise that it may cause pain to some.
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    I didn't pay much attention at the time, but I believe we were classified as G1K1V1S1 - but I cannot confirm. And before I get roasted, no I was not in Special Forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    I still have my bed card from basics. Written on the back G1K1W1. Cannot remember anymore what the W were for.
    Die W is vir "woestyn gereed", gegee aan al julle ouens wat uit die groot sand kom en kortbroek tussen haak-ensteek kon loop.

    Nee, trek maar jou been Christo. Nog nooit gehoor nie. Die N het ek al na diensplig teegekom maar kan nie onthou wat dit beteken nie, W nog nooit gesien nie, en S ook nie. Maar ek ken net Lugmag en 'n bietjie van die Leër, die vloot is mos altyd anders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Die W is vir "woestyn gereed", gegee aan al julle ouens wat uit die groot sand kom en kortbroek tussen haak-ensteek kon loop.

    Nee, trek maar jou been Christo. Nog nooit gehoor nie. Die N het ek al na diensplig teegekom maar kan nie onthou wat dit beteken nie, W nog nooit gesien nie, en S ook nie. Maar ek ken net Lugmag en 'n bietjie van die Leër, die vloot is mos altyd anders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Die W is vir "woestyn gereed", gegee aan al julle ouens wat uit die groot sand kom en kortbroek tussen haak-ensteek kon loop.

    Nee, trek maar jou been Christo. Nog nooit gehoor nie. Die N het ek al na diensplig teegekom maar kan nie onthou wat dit beteken nie, W nog nooit gesien nie, en S ook nie. Maar ek ken net Lugmag en 'n bietjie van die Leër, die vloot is mos altyd anders.
    Woestyn is dalk reg. Cobus I read your story with the greatest of interest. Yes unfortunately we cannot chose or health or the Unit you were called up to. With us were a guy classified as G4K4. If I can remember correctly he had an engineering degree. He got transfered or recruited by think it was DENEL. He became one of the countries leading rocket and missile designers. Shows you there is space for each of us. In the end Johnny "can only remember his name" did more than most G1K1 could have done for the Forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    Woestyn is dalk reg. Cobus I read your story with the greatest of interest. Yes unfortunately we cannot chose or health or the Unit you were called up to. With us were a guy classified as G4K4. If I can remember correctly he had an engineering degree. He got transfered or recruited by think it was DENEL. He became one of the countries leading rocket and missile designers. Shows you there is space for each of us. In the end Johnny "can only remember his name" did more than most G1K1 could have done for the Forces.

    Welldone Cobus.
    I might even have worked with your guy. After National Service 2 years I worked on quality control of rocket fuels, propellants and high explosives. The 80s saw a lot going on on the border, demand was high, and our production was going full tilt. Even with that, the Dept of Defense saw it fit to call me up every year for a camp, leaving my Armscor subsidiary employer to scramble to fill my place. Authority sometimes works in mysterious ways, as we see now again with COVID-19.
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