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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The Arabs use tyres with no tread. They should know best.
    F1 cars also, but they need as much rubber as possible on the tar. You can argue it applies for sand also, but tread on a tyre would only increase traction/friction in sand, but yes you can bury yourself easily with MT tyre, which is unlikely to happen with smooth tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The Arabs use tyres with no tread.
    Now I know why they keep flipping their patrols/cruisers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The Arabs use tyres with no tread. They should know best.
    Not in their Dune drags. They drag with scooper why?.The nobblies on Muds have the same effect as scoopers

    The Arabs only use tyres with no thread because they use speed to conquer dunes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomario View Post
    I am hearing you. Powerful enjine + mud tires = Trouble on Sand. OK, if you are very experienced, have a foot reaction time of less than 1/10 of a second AND know EXACTLY when to lift of the accelerator, than MT are for you. But for everybody else, including Johny Bravo and myself, MT will help you more to get stuck than move forward. The Duellers ATs are damn good tires for sand but the MTs look like a million dollars
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    Bridgestone Duellers D694 were the worst tyres I ever drove on sand. They kept debeading even at 1.1bar. The owner of Brakkeduine told me they were notorius for that and it happened often on his trail.
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    I am certainly not the world's most experienced sand driver, but I do have enough experience to know that, when driving on sand, finesse is important. Bury the throttle and you are likely to get stuck, no matter what tires you are on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Connan View Post
    I am certainly not the world's most experienced sand driver, but I do have enough experience to know that, when driving on sand, finesse is important. Bury the throttle and you are likely to get stuck, no matter what tires you are on.
    Not quite, you need to know when to bury throttle...

    But we are going off topic and this thread is going to get technical. I did stupid stuff for show with a high powered german vehicle running on 22" rims and 45 profile with HT tyres, but had about 400kw to play with. Then you can argue all day what is the best tyre. But for your average joe's car...

    You need tyres with grip, something to drive you forward, and you need the right pressures. That's it.
    AT will not beat a MT in sand, I'm sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    If you are so sure Muds dig in why this thread?
    Actually I am not sure... That's why the thread. And I do love the MT but managed to get bogged down more often than not. Especially on soft, dry sand, when starting up the dune. On wet and hard sand, I had no issues. I am glad to see a few other people feel the same
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    Don’t forget that an MT tyre is much “tougher” than the average AT tyre and therefore will flex less at low pressures. This will surely have an effect on sand driving performance. You shouldn’t be scared to go down to 0.6bar on an MT
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    Quote Originally Posted by AboutAfrica View Post
    Not quite, you need to know when to bury throttle...

    But we are going off topic and this thread is going to get technical. I did stupid stuff for show with a high powered german vehicle running on 22" rims and 45 profile with HT tyres, but had about 400kw to play with. Then you can argue all day what is the best tyre. But for your average joe's car...

    You need tyres with grip, something to drive you forward, and you need the right pressures. That's it.
    AT will not beat a MT in sand, I'm sorry.
    I am hearing you... but what if I do not know? In my case at least, I found the ATs to be more forgiving. I love the MTs though. I just have to figure out how to not spin them into the sand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomario View Post
    I am hearing you. Powerful enjine + mud tires = Trouble on Sand.
    My experience, MT's every single day of the week for sand!

    I had the Maxxis Bighorns on the previous Wrangler, at 0.6 bar with those tyres I was able to crawl stuff out in 1st low (Rubicon 1st low as well) where other vehicles with a run up and full speed could not get up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
    Don’t forget that an MT tyre is much “tougher” than the average AT tyre and therefore will flex less at low pressures. This will surely have an effect on sand driving performance. You shouldn’t be scared to go down to 0.6bar on an MT
    Yes, a point most seem to miss when the question is asked which is better. Most MT have a tougher sidewall, which means you need to run them at a slightly lower pressure than you would run a AT. That is where the biggest mistake is made in tyre comparisons. Both are then tested at the same pressures which is wrong. Run them both against each other at the pressures which each respective tyre provides the most grip according to their design etc then test...

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    So you drop a AT to 0.8 and a MT to 0.5, I think we all know which is going to give the most traction.

    you make both at 0.8 the AT will float better and the MT will dig slightly.

    You make both 0.5 and the MT will grip and claw and the AT will fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The Arabs use tyres with no tread. They should know best.
    Not from what I have seen, mostly just normal ATs, but lots of the serious lunatics with aggressive MTS!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    My experience, MT's every single day of the week for sand!

    I had the Maxxis Bighorns on the previous Wrangler, at 0.6 bar with those tyres I was able to crawl stuff out in 1st low (Rubicon 1st low as well) where other vehicles with a run up and full speed could not get up.
    That Oom Dirk is the essence of dune driving.

    So quickly to see who have real world experience and who not.

    Still think we should arrange a dune driving weekend. I would like to see gladde tyres go where 35 x 12.5 or 37`s can go at 0.6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AboutAfrica View Post
    Yes, a point most seem to miss when the question is asked which is better. Most MT have a tougher sidewall, which means you need to run them at a slightly lower pressure than you would run a AT. That is where the biggest mistake is made in tyre comparisons. Both are then tested at the same pressures which is wrong. Run them both against each other at the pressures which each respective tyre provides the most grip according to their design etc then test...

    example:

    So you drop a AT to 0.8 and a MT to 0.5, I think we all know which is going to give the most traction.

    you make both at 0.8 the AT will float better and the MT will dig slightly.

    You make both 0.5 and the MT will grip and claw and the AT will fold.
    So easy to identify the real masters of sand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AboutAfrica View Post
    you make both at 0.8 the AT will float better and the MT will dig slightly.

    You make both 0.5 and the MT will grip and claw and the AT will fold.
    Yes, but BGF tyres dont like 0.5 too often
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    ...the tyre that produces the largest flattest footprint at it's lowest pressure (without debeading) will be the best in sand.
    If both an AT and MT have similar flat footprints, the MT will be better.
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    muds, low pressure, constant momentum, reverse a few meters before pulling off if you stop in thick sand, don't turn to sharp and you good . same would go for any tyre, if you spin the muds they will dig faster than a AT, that's just common sense they have lugs.
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    I have wondered about the term "deep sand". The videos of the Aussies on Fraser Island, is that deep sand? Well if you were at 1 bar, you would breeze that. If you're going to do technical up hills and and dunes, 1 bar will not get you very far, that is when you need 0.5.

    I think 0.8 will probably get you to most of the places you want to go to, with AT, mud or slicks.
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    Inskip action and Fraser Island are a few of my favourite YouTube channels. Love watching them get stuck or do silly things trying to get out then you have that one softroader cruising past the stuck v8's. As for thick sand, I wouldn't know how to class Fraser Island but lots of times it does seem more 'soft' than 'thick'.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZuluCowboy View Post
    I have wondered about the term "deep sand". The videos of the Aussies on Fraser Island, is that deep sand? Well if you were at 1 bar, you would breeze that. If you're going to do technical up hills and and dunes, 1 bar will not get you very far, that is when you need 0.5.

    I think 0.8 will probably get you to most of the places you want to go to, with AT, mud or slicks.
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