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    Ok so the 100k service on the Subaru is kind of expensive, but I think also not that bad. Obviously the agents will rip you a new one, but most indies willl do it at around 10 - 11k. And it is a major service. All fluids including diffs and gearbox, spark plugs and timing bet and tensioner. At the 200k service advisable to change water pump as well.

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    If it is for your daughter +5 for Honda CRV - she will not get stuck next to the road, and from a security point of few, the CRV is not on any hijack or stolen stats. And then best of all - the tray in the boot folds out as a table

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisXander View Post
    Look at the Honda CR-v if she's not a brand junkie.

    Fabulous cars, outstanding built quality and space planning.

    She won't be sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    Diesel or Petrol? If you search this forum you will see that you cannot compare the reliability of a D3/4 diesel to a Freelander 2, same as you cannot compare a Freelander 1(also very crap reliability). I have owned a D3 Diesel, and yes, in the two years of ownership it was in the workshop more than all my other cars combined, not to mention the costs of these repairs. The FL2 has only been in for a Main Oil Seal, which the dealer fixed. It has a bit of a shudder now, but I think it is the top engine mounting, I can see it's shot, will replace before I need to start using it again. If it is not the engine mounting, it might be the Torque Converter, which will be a bummer as that is an expensive fix.

    Anyway, budget for car and budget for services after purchasing is a major consideration. Perhaps Jap is the way to go then.
    Thanks for your reply.
    Her D4 is a diesel. Hopefully no more problems.
    And hopefully your car problems are minor, and not the torque converter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurry View Post
    If it is for your daughter +5 for Honda CRV - she will not get stuck next to the road, and from a security point of few, the CRV is not on any hijack or stolen stats. And then best of all - the tray in the boot folds out as a table
    Definitely like the tray idea...
    Thanks for your reply.
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    I have a Subaru XV manual. Bought at 65000km now at 170000km. Been to Luderitz and Die Hel. Do a lot of gravel road driving. Its a great car from my experience. Have also owned a Terios for 100000km and a Nissan Juke for 100000km. All bought second hand. All great cars. Recon of them the Subaru takes gravel roads the best. The Juke was surprising. It was 2wheel drive. Did Eselbank pass without any problems with it. You need to just drive appropriately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexP View Post
    Excuse my ignorance.
    What is a CVT?
    If you haven't Googled it by now, it's a Continuously Variable Transmission. A 'seamless' belt-driven transmission that keeps engine revs at the optimum range regarding driver input without gear changes. Works brilliantly and reliably on the Mitsubishi Outlander (my dad owns one), yet still met with skepticism in SA despite its use in tens of thousands of vehicles here.

    My suggested list would echo many of the others here (all AWD):

    Subaru Forester
    Subaru Outback
    Nissan X-Trail
    Honda CR-V
    Mitsubishi Outlander
    Renault Koleos (based on X-trail underpinnings and running gear, so mechanical parts not necessarily an issue)
    Suzuki Vitara (as mentioned, be wary of model)
    Hyundai iX-35/Tucson
    Later Kia Sportage
    2001 Gen 3 Pajero swb 3.2 Di-D

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    We are on our second Mitsubishi Outlander. Brilliant vehicles and we love the cvt gearbox. Once you understand the principle of how they work they are great and with the latest generation Outlander the engine revs do not rise up too quickly. Very spacious vehicle and luxuriously eqipped too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    If you haven't Googled it by now, it's a Continuously Variable Transmission. A 'seamless' belt-driven transmission that keeps engine revs at the optimum range regarding driver input without gear changes. Works brilliantly and reliably on the Mitsubishi Outlander (my dad owns one), yet still met with skepticism in SA despite its use in tens of thousands of vehicles here.

    My suggested list would echo many of the others here (all AWD):

    Subaru Forester
    Subaru Outback
    Nissan X-Trail
    Honda CR-V
    Mitsubishi Outlander
    Renault Koleos (based on X-trail underpinnings and running gear, so mechanical parts not necessarily an issue)
    Suzuki Vitara (as mentioned, be wary of model)
    Hyundai iX-35/Tucson
    Later Kia Sportage
    If CVT was so great why does Merc/BMW and the VAG group not use it in their cars? Makes me wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaira View Post
    If CVT was so great why does Merc/BMW and the VAG group not use it in their cars? Makes me wonder.
    Fantastic question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Fantastic question.
    Google again and you will find that Merc,bmw,Audi, ford,Toyota etc auto boxes were some of the big name cvt boxes from late 90"' early 2000's.
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    And then they decided not to use them any more because ....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceHun View Post
    Google again and you will find that Merc,bmw etc auto boxes were some of the first cvt's.,
    Who uses Haldex and doesn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaira View Post
    And then they decided not to use them any more because ....?
    Maybe because they evolved them into dsg etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Who uses Haldex and doesn't?
    Camels?
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    Honda, Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Infinity, Mitsubishi, Renault, Subaru, Chev, Ford, Kia, Hyundai and Suzuki still use CVT to this day.

    Personally I think that at the time Mercedes and Audi/VW used CVTs, the gearbox received a lot of criticism and some of them still do, but mainly because people do not understand the concept. The latest CVTs use steps that mimic a conventional gearbox with a lot more positive feedback.

    CVTs are also a lot cheaper than converter gearboxes. Cost is probably one of the last things that drivers of German cars worry about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaira View Post
    And then they decided not to use them any more because ....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    If you haven't Googled it by now, it's a Continuously Variable Transmission. A 'seamless' belt-driven transmission that keeps engine revs at the optimum range regarding driver input without gear changes. Works brilliantly and reliably on the Mitsubishi Outlander (my dad owns one), yet still met with skepticism in SA despite its use in tens of thousands of vehicles here.
    Thank you for your reply.
    No I did not Google it. Did not even think of that. Sorry
    I hardly ever sit and look around on the internet, unless I am planning a trip to the National Parks, reading the news or looking for a flight.

    I do go to the library, and can sit for hours reading/ paging through a variety of books.
    I do know a couple of people that drive Mitsubishi's, and come to think of it, I have never heard any complaints from any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Who uses Haldex and doesn't?
    Used by:
    VAG
    Volvo
    Ford
    LR
    SAAB (dead)
    GM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom13 View Post
    Honda, Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Infinity, Mitsubishi, Renault, Subaru, Chev, Ford, Kia, Hyundai and Suzuki still use CVT to this day.

    Personally I think that at the time Mercedes and Audi/VW used CVTs, the gearbox received a lot of criticism and some of them still do, but mainly because people do not understand the concept. The latest CVTs use steps that mimic a conventional gearbox with a lot more positive feedback.

    CVTs are also a lot cheaper than converter gearboxes. Cost is probably one of the last things that drivers of German cars worry about.
    Not for me, thank you very much, no matter how much you are trying to promote it.

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    I think you misunderstood. I'm not promoting it. I just tried to explain why the "luxury brands" like Mercedes and Audi moved away from it and that it is technology that is still being used extensively today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaira View Post
    Not for me, thank you very much, no matter how much you are trying to promote it.
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