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    Default Petrol or Diesel

    What is the better option.

    2009 Diesel 200 series 250km FSH for R360k

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    2008 petrol 200 series 210km FSH for R330k

    The petrol has a front and rear bar with roofrack and the diesel just a roofrack.

    it will be my daily drive doing about 22k a year and on ocasion might tow a small trailer.


    Appreciate your thought.
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    R130k for fuel when the petrol gives 6km/l and diesel gives 8km/l means you’ve got R130k to spend on equivalent of 2km/l before you break even.

    Its a no brainer. especially with potential turbo, injector issues on high mileage diesel.

    Buy the petrol put on a decent exhaust and enjoy the sweet v8 music.
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    Sorry to have messed you around the petrol is R330k not R230k.

    My error

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    If the diesel is a single rail jobbie then go for it. Single rail turbo units are potent and can give great service and lifespan, I can give you the name of a turbo specialist that can service and rebuild the turbo as a preventative maintenance issue for a couple of grand. That should last another 200k as long as you don't fiddle with it. Get hold of roadac and find out if they can rebuild the injectors and at what cost. The 30% more Km/l is a big advantage to consider.
    If it is not a mono rail injection system... I would turn around and walk away
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    Default Re: Petrol or Diesel

    Quote Originally Posted by warrenpfo View Post
    Sorry to have messed you around the petrol is R330k not R230k.

    My error

    Ok so that makes it a slightly different equation. So you save R30k (try negotiating the petrol down) and have 40k km less on the clock with another R30k more of off-road accessories.

    R30k at 2km/l difference with R16/l fuel cost it will mean R0,67 per km extra fuel. Thus almost 45 000km before breaking even.

    Petrol at 245k km (no worries)
    Diesel at 295k km (may need one or both turbos looked at, possibly injectors)

    If you finance the cruiser then the lower installment cost also makes up fuel difference, lower insurance cost makes up even more, lower servicing cost makes up even more.

    Still petrol for me but that just my opinion. Go drive both!
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    Default Re: Petrol or Diesel

    It all depends on your needs and your liking, for example:
    • Do you usually tow a heavy trailer? 2-3 tonnes? If so, the diesel will be better.
    • Do you enjoy the low end torque of a the diesel engine or prefer the high rpms and power of the petrol V8!


    Diesel maintenance can get really expensive, even more when you have two turbos and two sets of four injectors!

    But it is a Premium you will have to consider if you really like the diesel performance, which certainly uses less fuel and is much better At lower rpms, but will not compensate an expensive repair!

    To the OP, I would take the Petrol, it is cheaper, more reliable, has less km and has f/r bars, also, when cold, the diesel engine feels anemic, to the point where you must take momentum to go over some inclines, even worse when loaded!

    We only get automatics here, don’t know whether it is the same with te manual transmission!

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    Both those engines are bullet proof. There are 70 Series Cruisers in our area that is at the 500k km mark with zero repairs to the engine.
    Problem is how the vehicle were treated by the previous owner. Service records. Also what you intend to do with the vehicle. For serious off roading noting out here have the low down grunt of the 1vd V8 diesel. The 650nm is hard to match when you tow.

    I come a long way with petrol v8`s. There real world fuel consumption can be hectic depending the way you drive. They do give reasonable figures when driven carefully at open road speeds. Once you start feeding the horses 2.4km/l becomes a quick reality.
    On reliability side with the petrol v8 as the possibility is always there that you can have injector or turbo problems on the diesel.
    But in defence of the Toyota 1VD V8 I have yet to read or hear about catastrophic engine failures

    Maybe read this thread.

    https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum...leage-LC200-V8

    Quote from the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoEngel View Post
    A similar question arose on a different forum a while ago - and my reply below.

    I've been involved in the middle East (IRAQ/Afghanistan) for the past 15 years, with massive fleets of V8 200's (armoured) - I'm talking 200 to 300. We went over to the V8 200's when they became available.

    Despite oil etc origination largely from the middle east, the quality of oil and diesel here is absolutely appalling, taking samples of diesel you get a sludge layer on the bottom within minutes of letting it stand.

    That all said, the vehicles gets an oil and oil filter change every 5000 km's as precautionary measure. That is also the sum total of the service, absolutely nothing else gets done. No electronic diagnostics etc as it doesn't exist here. Brake pads gets exchanged when needed.

    We had very few failures despite the fact that the vehicles spend a large part of the day idling with the A/C running, and when travelling its over very badly maintained asphalt roads - summer temperatures in the high 40's to 50's, loads of dust etc. Also bear in mind that the vehicle are armoured, so the airflow in the engine compartment is restricted due to armour plating around batteries, in front of firewall etc. Radiators cracking and A/C failures do pop up from time to time, but that is not surprising.

    I cannot think of much worse conditions to for a vehicle to work in, and these cruisers are all well over 250 000 to 500 000 plus km's.

    None of these vehicles are fitted with oil catch cans, pre-filters or any other fancies - so I guess it is safe to say the V8 engine will last and can be largely self maintained.
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    Default Re: Petrol or Diesel

    Both are automatic.

    The diesel from my understanding is the twin turbo common rail model.

    I seldom tow much above 1ton but in the future would like a Metalia Maxi (I was going to get one now and keep my 120 v6 prado but then these 2 came along and after having owned 4 x 100 series Turbo Diesels and a 2 x 80 series Turbo Diesels I miss a bigger vehicle)

    I will pay cash no financing

    Thanks for the comments so far lots of food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrenpfo View Post
    Both are automatic.

    The diesel from my understanding is the twin turbo common rail model.

    I seldom tow much above 1ton but in the future would like a Metalia Maxi (I was going to get one now and keep my 120 v6 prado but then these 2 came along and after having owned 4 x 100 series Turbo Diesels and a 2 x 80 series Turbo Diesels I miss a bigger vehicle)

    I will pay cash no financing

    Thanks for the comments so far lots of food for thought.
    There is your answer. Plenty of torque and better fuel economy, not a boy racer but certainly no slouch
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