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    Default Beware of 4x2s that pretend to be offroad capable.

    I spent the weekend in the Transkei.
    The road to the back packers was bad in some places, but nothing really serious.

    We met a group of ladies at the back packers who were in a tiff.
    They tried to drive back to the main (surfaced) road, but could not make it. Their vehicle could not get up the first real incline.
    It is a large SUV type 4x2 with FWD.

    I offered to drive with them, suspecting which hill it was.
    It had serious wash-outs and loose rock, making the line and traction important.

    We drove in front (in case we had to tow her out).
    The 4x2 got stuck on the hill.
    No traction on the loose stuff.
    The Touareg did not even once loose traction on any of the wheels.

    I offered to give it a try.
    I took the wheel, rolled back and stormed the hill.
    Lots of wheel spin, rocks flying etc, but made it to the top (without having to use the rope).

    They look mucho, have the right size tyres and ground clearance, but the front wheel drive only is the killer.

    There was another couple with a front wheel drive 1/2 t bakkie with Marie Biscuit wheels - how he gets out, will be interesting.
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    Default Re: Beware of 4x2s that pretend to be offroad capable.

    Sometimes reversing a FWD through a tough patch works. Better traction with weight on the drive wheels and lower gearing as well. Have seen it work well on grassed slippery wet Transkei hills.
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    Default Re: Beware of 4x2s that pretend to be offroad capable.

    I have a major beef with these vehicles being sold as lifestyle vehicles that can do everything.

    As well as AWDs being sold as 4x4s.

    False expectations lead to major disappointment, loss of investment and possibly damage, injury or death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfwalk View Post
    Sometimes reversing a FWD through a tough patch works. Better traction with weight on the drive wheels and lower gearing as well.
    I agree, but staying on the line in this case would have been well-nigh impossible. You have to straddle a few dongas. In reverse you might just drive into a donga, and then you have even worse problems.

    The gearing was ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
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    I don't know what you are talking about.

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    I'd love to know what car it was. I drive a FWD 4x2 softroader, and I know it barely climbs a curb comfortably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxxyc View Post
    I'd love to know what car it was. I drive a FWD 4x2 softroader, and I know it barely climbs a curb comfortably.
    Uno Fire. FWD. versus a Hilux 4x2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Uno Fire. FWD. versus a Hilux 4x2.
    BUT, you could pick the Uno up and lift it over a bad section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglash View Post
    BUT, you could pick the Uno up and lift it over a bad section.
    Not needed with the Uno WAY.. ;-)
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    The wrong weapon in the right hand is just as dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Uno Fire. FWD. versus a Hilux 4x2.
    I've seen that video a number of times. I'm pretty sure it's a Fiat Panda 4x4
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    A wet Transkei is not for Softroaders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    I've seen that video a number of times. I'm pretty sure it's a Fiat Panda 4x4
    Yes, and it's an Amarok - not a Hilux. But, any empty 4x2 bakkie is notoriously bad on wet surfaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    I've seen that video a number of times. I'm pretty sure it's a Fiat Panda 4x4
    could be, very underrated little cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    I've seen that video a number of times. I'm pretty sure it's a Fiat Panda 4x4
    Like someone stated, driving skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanRoux View Post
    Yes, and it's an Amarok - not a Hilux. But, any empty 4x2 bakkie is notoriously bad on wet surfaces.
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    The video reinforces the OP.

    The bakkie (Hilux / Amarok, does not matter), has all the visual credentials (mucho look, clearance, wheels), but not the required traction.

    I also think the Fiat was a 4x4, but the point is, most (if not any) 4x4s would have found that incline to be no problem at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eTouareg View Post
    I spent the weekend in the Transkei.
    The road to the back packers was bad in some places, but nothing really serious.

    We met a group of ladies at the back packers who were in a tiff.
    They tried to drive back to the main (surfaced) road, but could not make it. Their vehicle could not get up the first real incline.
    It is a large SUV type 4x2 with FWD.

    I offered to drive with them, suspecting which hill it was.
    It had serious wash-outs and loose rock, making the line and traction important.

    We drove in front (in case we had to tow her out).
    The 4x2 got stuck on the hill.
    No traction on the loose stuff.
    The Touareg did not even once loose traction on any of the wheels.

    I offered to give it a try.
    I took the wheel, rolled back and stormed the hill.
    Lots of wheel spin, rocks flying etc, but made it to the top (without having to use the rope).

    They look mucho, have the right size tyres and ground clearance, but the front wheel drive only is the killer.

    There was another couple with a front wheel drive 1/2 t bakkie with Marie Biscuit wheels - how he gets out, will be interesting.
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