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    Default How should good brickwork look??

    I'm having some issues with a builder and very poor brickwork. As I expected the builder is trying to sweep it all under the rug, "no don't worry it will be plastered over". The brickwork is a mix of tie in to old walls and new walls incl foundations and will be plastered.

    The guy swears blind all the brickwork is fine and we are nitpicking, he even claims the quality I'm expecting is only necessary if you are doing facebrick. I disagree, the bricks must get laid properly whether they will be seen or not, even if it's just to get a good plaster finish, you need good bones to plaster over. Nevermind that achieving maximum structural integrity requires correctly laid bricks.
    Obviously I'm not expecting neatly pointed bricks but it must all be plumb, corners square, brick line straight, brick courses straight and cement gap even. Obviously within reason, consistency to my mind really is the key.



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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    Here's the foundations:

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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    Could someone please explain the step by step process to lay a brick course correctly incl what tools are used and what amount of deviation is acceptable?

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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    should have profiles at the corners with a string line that get lifted for ever course of bricks, that is some very scrappy brick work but as long as they using a proper daga mix should be ok, but yes plastering covers it up make sure everything is square and the wall is going up straight

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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    I canít help you with the process, but I do have two comments. This guy would have not continued on my watch after day 1, if I come from work and I saw that.

    Secondly, this guy wonít be paid until these structures are removed and rebuilt properly.
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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    That is some poor workmanship even though it will be plastered. My only comment is, if this is the brickwork produced, I can only wonder what the plaster will look like?
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    What do the building inspector and NHBRC inspector say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eTouareg View Post
    What do the building inspector and NHBRC inspector say?
    That's what I want to know, the brickwork can't be up to standard. It may be possible to accept ugly as long as it's structurally sound, the brick courses on the foundations are all over the place.

    How do you get the inspectors to come on to a site and inspect work, the site is in Capetown?
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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    I'm no bricklaying expert but it seems that is the standard of building. Especially when stocks are used and plastered. My house was built in 1972/73 and you must see the sh1t the did back then already. I recently had to remove some plaster as the bathroom wall was wet inside due to poor tiling etc. Its now dry.
    Look at the hole for the 110mm pipe. Its filled in with stones.
    It isn't possible to see the depth variances of the bricks in the photo.
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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    As long as things are square and plumb and daggaa is right as well as brickforce and dpc I think you will be okay.Not the most conformists bricks I have seen. They look to be varying in size .The tying in seem okay. But Im no builder.

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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    Having recently built a boundary wall and some other outdoors items, i can only add that plaster can only hide so much.

    They will have to be master plasterers to make a wall look straight and flush looking at that brickwork.

    If its not straight vertically or bends horisontally, no amount of plastering will help, and where it does help, if not properly mixed, will just crack and crumble where it was too thick hiding the problems
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    Verskoon die Afrikaans....en ek is glad nie 'n kenner nie.

    Ek is van mening dat waar die nuwe stene in die bestaande muur ingelas word, daar te min laste is.

    Die messelwerk lyk vir my bra slordig, maar dit kan met pleister reggestel word. Maar hoekom dit nie van die begin af netjies lÍ nie?

    Kry so spoedig moontlik 'n kenner in - al moet dit jou geld kos. Laat hy ook seker maak dat die dagha, in die regte verhoudings gemeng is. Buitemure gereeld genoeg draad inlegsels het.

    AS jy oor vyf jaar probleme het, is daardie "kontrakteur" nÍrens te vinde nie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plunger View Post
    As long as things are square and plumb and daggaa is right as well as brickforce and dpc I think you will be okay.Not the most conformists bricks I have seen. They look to be varying in size .The tying in seem okay. But Im no builder.
    I also initailly thought it could possibly be bad bricks but they seem fine, all the areas where bricks were poorly laid I couldn't find fault with the brick it was the laying of the brick that was cock eyed.

    I've seen poor quality bricks laid well - the brickline/course and gaps will all be hundreds but the bricks themselves will be doing weird things, bad bricks makes the job harder but not impossible and the builder hasn't blamed the bricks either.

    How can you trust the dagga mix and other critical aspects if the builder is so lax with the standard of the bricklaying?

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    I concur fully with bostoe's sentiments. I would've been happier with more tie-ins. And, as was mentioned, the mix could be questionable.
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    Even exact amounts of sand, cement and water would not create a good bond if half mixed.

    Don't tell me that the mix was mixed correctly. Too strong and too weak dagha from the same half mixed

    batch cause enough problems without that splash and plak mess. Id say too much weed and not enough mix caused that.

    To much water in the mix makes it easier to mix but weakens the outcome.
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    We had some work done last year. I'm not saying it is 100% but this is what it looked like.



    The plaster



    The paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbief View Post
    Even exact amounts of sand, cement and water would not create a good bond if half mixed.

    Don't tell me that the mix was mixed correctly. Too strong and too weak dagha from the same half mixed

    batch cause enough problems without that splash and plak mess. Id say too much weed and not enough mix caused that.

    To much water in the mix makes it easier to mix but weakens the outcome.
    They do at least have a cement mixer but that won't fix incorrect ratios.

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    A brick layer should do much better. I would have chased him off site first time I arrive there.
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    Default Re: How should good brickwork look??

    Skylark, I don't see any evidence of Brickforce.



    Do you know if they've used any. It should be used every 3 or so courses to bind the wall together.

    If they haven't used it, your wall may be structurally unstable....

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    That is really horrible work
    100% the same standard followed as 90% of the new complexes

    Hell he is not even doing correct alignment separation between the 2 layers and linking them together
    Both will be weak

    The other thing that appears to stand out to me and specialized builder will be able to give precise info is that it appears that they did not make sure the bricks were wet before they put them in the cement

    The cement should be kept wet as long as possible
    And the problem is bricks actually absorb fluid

    So if you build with dry bricks then they actually suck the water out of the cement

    They should put the bricks in water for while (12 hours+) before they use them
    And then spray the wall with water just after building and again about half day later

    That and obviously insure they have correct mix

    You builder is correct in 1 way
    If you did not monitor then he could make it look 100% fine with plaster and paint afterwards
    It would even last 2 or maybe even 3 years before you start picking up major cracks

    By which time he would have made a run for it long time ago
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