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    Default Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Global NCAP car to car crash test demonstrates double standard on vehicle safety in Africa vs. Europe.

    The 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody got zero stars.



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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    The Nissan NP300 was previously tested by Global NCAP in 2018 and received a zero-star safety rating.



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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Why warming up this now? There have been several threads on this subject already. Take any 20 year old design bakkie and compare it to a modern design, it will come out badly.
    Anybody in this day and age not knowing what the risks are when buying an old school bakkie, be it new or 2nd hand are naive.
    These Europeans making these movies haven't got a clue as to what people can and can't afford here in Africa. Their 2nd hand vehicle prices are much lower than ours.

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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    Why warming up this now? There have been several threads on this subject already. Take any 20 year old design bakkie and compare it to a modern design, it will come out badly.
    Anybody in this day and age not knowing what the risks are when buying an old school bakkie, be it new or 2nd hand are naive.
    These Europeans making these movies haven't got a clue as to what people can and can't afford here in Africa. Their 2nd hand vehicle prices are much lower than ours.

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    .......and they (Europeans) do not realize that South Africans, and the rest of Africa cannot always afford modern safety tec. At least these bakkies give people the chance to have reliable transport!

    Our currencies are useless agains the Yen, Euro, dollar etc!

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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Quote Originally Posted by bostoe View Post
    ...Ö.

    Our currencies are useless agains the Yen, Euro, dollar etc!

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    Blame Zuma and Gwede Mantashe, and all the other ANC idiots that fought common sense and fiscal policy to keep Zuma in power.
    The blame lies squarely at the foot of the ANC.

    Communist/ Socialist failed ideas just being repeated in an endless cycle, while the ruling elite and their families loot and steal and fill their hidden bank accounts, and the other 57 million idiots that keep voting them into power.
    I met some crazy people.... They made me their leader.

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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Some of us don't want some of the safety features in working vehicles. I would have had both the Isuzu Frontier 4x4 and JMC 4x4 written off had they had air bags. I hit a small buck at 110km'h on a Karoo dirt road. It bounced off the front bar. No damage to the vehicle but the shock would have deployed an air bag.

    My wife swerved for a Kudu at 100km/h with the JMC. She went through the thorn bush next to the road ending up with an indigenous floral arrangement on the front bar. This impact would have deployed air bags as well and would have written off the vehicle.
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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Quote Originally Posted by Olyfboer View Post
    Some of us don't want some of the safety features in working vehicles. I would have had both the Isuzu Frontier 4x4 and JMC 4x4 written off had they had air bags. I hit a small buck at 110km'h on a Karoo dirt road. It bounced off the front bar. No damage to the vehicle but the shock would have deployed an air bag.

    My wife swerved for a Kudu at 100km/h with the JMC. She went through the thorn bush next to the road ending up with an indigenous floral arrangement on the front bar. This impact would have deployed air bags as well and would have written off the vehicle.
    Firstly airbags don't activate that easily. There has to be reasonable g force and deformation before they activate. Secondly what if your wife hit the kudu or a proper tree?

    I have had various unsafe vehicles, including motorcycles and drove them accordingly, but this line of logic is not sound.
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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Quote Originally Posted by Gootka View Post
    Firstly airbags don't activate that easily. There has to be reasonable g force and deformation before they activate. Secondly what if your wife hit the kudu or a proper tree?

    I have had various unsafe vehicles, including motorcycles and drove them accordingly, but this line of logic is not sound.
    infact airbags donít deploy based on impact or deformation at all..... they deployed based on pretty complex algorithms measuring deceleration (effectively negative G force) an impact leaving a car in a drivable condition is very unlikely to cause an airbag to deploy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gootka View Post
    Firstly airbags don't activate that easily. There has to be reasonable g force and deformation before they activate. Secondly what if your wife hit the kudu or a proper tree?

    I have had various unsafe vehicles, including motorcycles and drove them accordingly, but this line of logic is not sound.
    Airbags are not going to help if you hit a Kudu at speed. Seen plenty of those vehicles in this area. The Kudu tends to end up inside the vehicle with the occupants. One occupant usually impaled by the horns. You don't want to hit the Kudu. Rather take your chances swerving and rolling or going off the road.

    Extremely few trees in this area either except in towns. I'll stick with the no airbags option. Been driving over 40 years without them. The statistical probability of needing airbags in this area and the probability of needing them when leaving this area, which we seldom do, and the km driven per year, makes the need for them according to a risk management matrix and calculations unlikely.

    If you live in a city with dense traffic, yes, you need airbags and other safety features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olyfboer View Post
    Airbags are not going to help if you hit a Kudu at speed. Seen plenty of those vehicles in this area. The Kudu tends to end up inside the vehicle with the occupants. One occupant usually impaled by the horns. You don't want to hit the Kudu. Rather take your chances swerving and rolling or going off the road.

    Extremely few trees in this area either except in towns. I'll stick with the no airbags option. Been driving over 40 years without them. The statistical probability of needing airbags in this area and the probability of needing them when leaving this area, which we seldom do, and the km driven per year, makes the need for them according to a risk management matrix and calculations unlikely.

    If you live in a city with dense traffic, yes, you need airbags and other safety features.
    I agree with all of this, BUT not with your rationale for not wanting airbags.

    If/when the impact is great enough for them to deploy, I would be very glad I had them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAND View Post
    I agree with all of this, BUT not with your rationale for not wanting airbags.

    If/when the impact is great enough for them to deploy, I would be very glad I had them.
    Unless you wear glasses like I do. I've seen the trauma caused by a combination of an airbag and glasses. In the only collision I have ever had (Hit hard from behind while stopped and pushed into the car in front), my glasses flew off due to the G forces. I do always wear a seat belt. Airbags are debatable. Seat belts are a no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olyfboer View Post
    Unless you wear glasses like I do. I've seen the trauma caused by a combination of an airbag and glasses. In the only collision I have ever had (Hit hard from behind while stopped and pushed into the car in front), my glasses flew off due to the G forces. I do always wear a seat belt. Airbags are debatable. Seat belts are a no brainer.
    Agree to disagree

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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    All this would only be relevant if we could not get that new shape NP300 in South Africa. But we can: its called a Navara. So, we actually are spolied for choice: get an old shape new NP300 that will fold behind the drivers door if you crash or a new NP300 Navara that will fold over the rear axle when you tow in sand. Choice is a good thing.

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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    In 10 years a 2020 5 star Volvo will do the test and receive 2 stars, as the requirements and specs get updated regularly. This was the demise of the loved Defender. They couldnt keep seling it in Europe and for years already couldnt be sold in The USA. They had a special NA (north american) spec at some stage but even those specs couldnt satisfy the requirements in recent years.

    Wonder how other "basic" vehicles will fare?
    LC 70 series
    Hilux base - the flat delivery like one
    Ranger base - the flat delivery like one
    GWM anything
    Quantum
    Isuzu base - the flat delivery like one
    VW Up
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    NP200

    Head on crash a Bantam and a LC200 and see who comes out on top.

    Friend of mine was driving a Merc C200 (latest model) and a Mazda d/c hit him from the front (almost head on) on the N4 2 years ago. Got out with a bruised chest and torn shirt, vehicle totalled. Although he didnt have much injuries, he said never ever will he drive a platkar again. Got a Fortuner to replace the Merc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandyLove View Post
    In 10 years a 2020 5 star Volvo will do the test and receive 2 stars, as the requirements and specs get updated regularly. This was the demise of the loved Defender. They couldnt keep seling it in Europe and for years already couldnt be sold in The USA. They had a special NA (north american) spec at some stage but even those specs couldnt satisfy the requirements in recent years.

    Wonder how other "basic" vehicles will fare?
    LC 70 series
    Hilux base - the flat delivery like one
    Ranger base - the flat delivery like one
    GWM anything
    Quantum
    Isuzu base - the flat delivery like one
    VW Up
    Bantam
    NP200

    Head on crash a Bantam and a LC200 and see who comes out on top.

    Friend of mine was driving a Merc C200 (latest model) and a Mazda d/c hit him from the front (almost head on) on the N4 2 years ago. Got out with a bruised chest and torn shirt, vehicle totalled. Although he didnt have much injuries, he said never ever will he drive a platkar again. Got a Fortuner to replace the Merc.
    VW UP is NCAP 5 star rated. Although, I really not prefer to be in crash with a NP300 when driving mine. Hopefully I'll bounce off.

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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    3 stars for the Up in the Euro NCAP: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/VW/up!/39809
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandyLove View Post
    In 10 years a 2020 5 star Volvo will do the test and receive 2 stars, as the requirements and specs get updated regularly. This was the demise of the loved Defender. They couldnt keep seling it in Europe and for years already couldnt be sold in The USA. They had a special NA (north american) spec at some stage but even those specs couldnt satisfy the requirements in recent years.

    Wonder how other "basic" vehicles will fare?
    LC 70 series
    Hilux base - the flat delivery like one
    Ranger base - the flat delivery like one
    GWM anything
    Quantum
    Isuzu base - the flat delivery like one
    VW Up
    Bantam
    NP200

    Head on crash a Bantam and a LC200 and see who comes out on top.

    Friend of mine was driving a Merc C200 (latest model) and a Mazda d/c hit him from the front (almost head on) on the N4 2 years ago. Got out with a bruised chest and torn shirt, vehicle totalled. Although he didnt have much injuries, he said never ever will he drive a platkar again. Got a Fortuner to replace the Merc.
    The 70 series Landcruiser got a 5 star rating in 2015 or 2016 in the ANCAP. 2019 VW Up got stars in Euro NCAP. The NP200 is sold in Europe as a Logan something, so I guess it must get some star(s).
    As to the base versions of NCAP tested bakkies, where the top pf the line models fair quite well, they won't get nearly the same amount of stars. However, this would mainly be due to things like lack of active protection features, less airbags, no stability control etc. Usually the passenger compartment would still have the same rigidity as that of the higher spec model. In case of a crash the cabin should still hold up quite well.
    I had a crash in my single cab Amarok in 2012, t-boned a truck. The crumple zone was completely destroyed, but the passenger cell was intact, both doors opened fine.
    The NP300 Hardbody however lacks that structural integrity, like most other bakkies from the early 2000s.

    As to your friend's Merc, accident vehicles get usually written off once airbags have been activated, even if the damage to the vehicle otherwise doesn't seem to be too much.
    But after having had the accident with my Amarok, I do agree with your friend: if I was in the Alfa GT I had before the Amarok, the bonnet of that would have fitted neatly underneath the truck and I would have been the crumple zone. Since then, I prefer driving vehicles with higher seating positions.
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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Interresting how well some vehicles do that seem pretty basic, such as the LC70.

    That Merc was more than airbags that sent it to Merc heaven. But imagine being in crash where you get side swiped from front to rear and the other vehicles headlights pass your face. Platkar also not for me thanks.
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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    Thinking of putting a sign on my Landy Series 2A -

    WARNING!

    YOU are my crumple zone
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    Default Re: Global NCAP zero stars for the 2019 Nissan NP300 Hardbody

    The Np300 comes with driver and passenger airbags. It has ABS as well. For the rest... it is an old design.

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    The same safety issues were valid for the (discontinued) City Golf and the (discontinued) Conquest. Both were very popular vehicles and came at a very attractive purchase price.
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