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    Default Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Hi All,

    hope you are well and safe......

    Whilst travelling back to Laaiplek from Durbanville, I was stopped at a routine Covid 19 road block.

    I was told by a traffic officer that my driving lights was illegal.....

    Normal Spots, connected via a relay to my brights......

    He said the lights must be on a separate switch only, NOT connected to brights.

    Anybody that has the latest info/Law on how this must be done?


    Please advise

    Thank you,

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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Quote Originally Posted by BdJ View Post
    ....I was told by a traffic officer that my driving lights was illegal.....

    Normal Spots, connected via a relay to my brights......
    Do you use them as spots or driving lights ?
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Spots must only be able to switch on when OEM headlights are on high beam, and switch off when lights are on low beam.

    Easiest way to modify your setup to achieve this is to put a toggle switch in the circuit powering the relay......Midas etc sell switches for just this sort of application.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrepb View Post
    Spots must only be able to switch on when OEM headlights are on high beam, and switch off when lights are on low beam.

    Easiest way to modify your setup to achieve this is to put a toggle switch in the circuit powering the relay......Midas etc sell switches for just this sort of application.


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    PS......I tapped into the high beam wire where it enters one of the head lamps and used that to power the relay through a series wired toggle switch.

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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    The cop doesn't know the law, and/or he was looking for a bribe.
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    https://www.arrivealive.co.za/Lighti...es-of-the-Road

    Regulation 160. Main-beam
    Every headlamp emitting a main-beam of light shall be so adjusted and maintained that


    (a) it shall be capable of adequately illuminating an area ahead of the motor vehicle concerned enabling the driver to see any person, vehicle or substantial object at a distance of at least 100 metres ahead; and


    (b) it can be extinguished by the use of a device which simultaneously shall cause or allow the dipped-beam of light to be emitted or continue to be emitted from a headlamp.
    Xtra lights are actually main beam lamps. Not to be confused with spotlights.
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The cop doesn't know the law, and/or he was looking for a bribe.

    Yep....cop doesn’t know the law.....lights MUST be connected to brights and dip automatically when brights dip......with a separate switch, driver could forget to switch spots off and blind oncoming traffic.

    He said the lights must be on a separate switch only, NOT connected to brights.



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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    As previously mentioned posts. I tapped off main beam light through switch in cab then to a relay. Power comes direct from battery to relay to spots. I can switch spots off and on when in high beam. When dipping the spots go off.
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    OP is talking driving lights, not auxiliary (spot) lights. These lights are usually factory fitted, and I have seen that some manufacturers have them so that you can have them on with absolutely no other lights on the car. Find that stoopid, because you get idiots driving after dark with no rear lights on, just these two pissy lights below bumper level. I feel these should at least come on with your park lights.

    Can we have clarification as to driving or auxiliary lights please.

    OP, the Laaiplek/Velddrift cops are idiots anyways. I got stopped last week with the Fortuna in Dwarskersbos, that has a license that expired end of April. Evidently I was misinformed that licenses has been deferred till after lockdown, and that I may not use the vehicle. Then he had an issue with a broken tail light, and then had a hernia when I got out the vehicle, and my weapon was not concealed properly.

    Did they give you a fine??
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    @David

    I'm also a bit in the dark. The topic is about Driving Lights and then he states that is is connected via a relay to his Brights.

    The OP should clear this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfreesani View Post
    OP is talking driving lights, not auxiliary (spot) lights. These lights are usually factory fitted, and I have seen that some manufacturers have them so that you can have them on with absolutely no other lights on the car. Find that stoopid, because you get idiots driving after dark with no rear lights on, just these two pissy lights below bumper level. I feel these should at least come on with your park lights.

    Can we have clarification as to driving or auxiliary lights please.

    OP, the Laaiplek/Velddrift cops are idiots anyways. I got stopped last week with the Fortuna in Dwarskersbos, that has a license that expired end of April. Evidently I was misinformed that licenses has been deferred till after lockdown, and that I may not use the vehicle. Then he had an issue with a broken tail light, and then had a hernia when I got out the vehicle, and my weapon was not concealed properly.

    Did they give you a fine??
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    @David

    I'm also a bit in the dark. The topic is about Driving Lights and then he states that is is connected via a relay to his Brights.

    The OP should clear this up.
    read what Prof said please.

    Extra driving lights are considered Main Beam lights and should either be able to dip or be extinguished when Dip is selected.

    There is no such thing as a SPOT LIGHT unless it looks like this:
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Spotlights/driving lights (whatever you want to call them lights) have to be wired through a separate switch. However, they must not be able to be turned on unless the OEM bright lights are on.

    So it necessitates wiring the lights through an independent switch with its power source provided through a relay that is activated by the bright lights. Sound complicated but is actually quite straight forward.

    Having said that, my BMW R1200GSA spots are wired up from the factory through an independent switch that bypasses the brights completely. I can leave them on regardless of whether my headlight is on bright or dipped.
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    read what Prof said please.

    Extra driving lights are considered Main Beam lights and should either be able to dip or be extinguished when Dip is selected.
    Jakes, read the first post.

    Is he talking about daytime "Driving Lights" (As per the thread title) or lights that goes on with the main beam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KobusDJ View Post
    Jakes, read the first post.

    Is he talking about daytime "Driving Lights" (As per the thread title) or lights that goes on with the main beam?
    "Normal Spots, connected via a relay to my brights......"

    Kolligte wat met brights aankom. Verstaans djy nou?
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    Issue here is, does it require an xtra switch.

    I have searched high and low for an amendment to NRTA that states that.
    The only thing in the NRTA is a referral to the relevant SABS for lighting of vehicles (These behind paywall)

    Found this though

    The legality of spot lights/spot lamps fitment.
    Spot Lamps/Spot lights
    Description: These are lights legally fitted by Law Enforcement, Breakdown Services, Medical personnel etc.


    They can be adjusted in different directions and can be used for example to provide light at an accident scene. The general public may not fit these lights on any vehicle.


    Head Lamps/Additional head Lamps.
    Additional headlamps are often erroneously referred to by the general public as “spot lights” and are permitted on the vehicle provided that they adhere to strict conditions for example:


    The lights fitted must be SABS approved.
    They must be in a fixed position.
    The wiring must done with additional fuses and relays in place.
    A separate switch must be installed so that the lights can be operated manually.
    In some case you are allowed to connected your lights to the overhead beam setting of your lights, but keep in mind that are more than likely going to blind any oncoming traffic.


    Additional head lamps are very powerful and can easily shine into oncoming traffic in the next lane.


    It is important that these head lamps are pointed in such a way that it does not blind them
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    I suppose to be on the safe side, fit the switch.

    Some help on that
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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    What is the official name for the lights the usually gets installed into the lower part of the bumper. We used to call them "Misligte". Only to be used in misty conditions. On my Nissan I switch them with a separate switch but they will only go on when the "Parkeerligte" is on. They are not related to high beams.

    We need to sort out the naming of all the lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KobusDJ View Post
    What is the official name for the lights the usually gets installed into the lower part of the bumper. We used to call them "Misligte". Only to be used in misty conditions. On my Nissan I switch them with a separate switch but they will only go on when the "Parkeerligte" is on. They are not related to high beams.

    We need to sort out the naming of all the lights.
    The NRTA has section for those. Foglights of misligte

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    Default Re: Help needed icw legality of driving lights.

    Thank you for all the replies.....

    To clarify:
    Lights are connected with a relay.
    Only on when on brights.
    Have a switch to switch off totally.
    Cannot go on if not on brights.

    As most of you suggested, this should be the legal way. I was not fined, just informed that it was illegal, without being checked how and when they operate.

    Maybe this guy was looking for a chat.....

    Thank you again for all you inputs

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