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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Usually a cell going short circuit, leaving the remains five cells to take up the extra voltage and gas.

    Sudden death is a strange battery phenomena, not easily understood or explained. Well certainly not by me anyhow.
    Are the individual cells in lead acid batteries 12v and connected in paralell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    Are the individual cells in lead acid batteries 12v and connected in paralell?
    In essence, 6 cells, each 2V, all in series to make 12V.

    So if one cell goes short circuit it becomes a 10V battery, it wonít like 14.4 V and it will catch a skrik and let off some gas to relieve itself.
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    Default Re: Decent vehicle battery brand?

    Willard and Sabat is https://auto-x.co.za/automotive-battery-brands/

    Chloride, Exide and Raylite is First National Battery https://www.battery.co.za
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    Looks like i have had a much different experience, I was used to Willard in the old days and then switched to Dixon.
    Dixon was great in the sense that I did not buy a battery for 6 years as it always failed before the warranty expired and they kep replacing it for me. I changed back to Willard and never had one die on me in less than 4 years. Granted I have not purchased a battery in the last 3 years so I don't know if they have gone downhill recently, but calculating the numbers of fails and life given in the thread the problem should have started at least 6 years ago.

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    I would stick to batteries from FNB (not the bank..).
    No personal interest. I know people who deal with these factories.
    Quote Originally Posted by KobusDJ View Post
    Willard and Sabat is https://auto-x.co.za/automotive-battery-brands/

    Chloride, Exide and Raylite is First National Battery https://www.battery.co.za
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosvark Kzn View Post
    This^^^^^^

    From my experience, Varta Batteries lasts for years, and the worst in my book: Willard
    I had a few Willard batteries failing under warranty and itís a nightmare to get Willard to honor the warranty, always a thousand and one exuses as to why itís not their fault.

    Same here
    I love my Varta batteries and for the price one pays its worth it.
    In my one car it lasted a good 4.5 years and died because of a faulty charge cable from the alternator which i found later and it was too late for the battery to survive. I have put in another Varta E11 R1449 in Nov 2019.

    My other car currently has a Dixon battery and the warranty expired May 2019, but the battery is still going strong. Will see how long it lasts.

    My one friend who has been using Willard batteries for many years, switch from them 2-3 years ago as they don't give him good life anymore.

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    How common is over filling of the battery acid in new batteries?

    As I understand it the battery stands empty on the shelf when new and they add the battery acid when you buy it.

    The battery has no overflow pipe and it's leaking acid from the cap which looks like one unified cap for all the cells. Battery Center checked the alternator output and the battery isn't getting hot so I doubt it's venting from being overcharged, all I can think of is that it's been over filled.

    I'm going to take it out tomorrow and see what I can find but I'd appreciate advice as to what I should be looking for.

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    Default Re: Decent vehicle battery brand?

    1) Raylite
    2) Sabat

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    For interest sake, at the start of the year we went away for a weekend, not far, Tulbagh area, and on the way back the Sunday stopped at my inlaws for coffee.

    After about an hour we were ready to drive home, as I turned the key, Bang! Loud noise and some smoky stuff from underneath the bonnet. Quite an unexpected event.

    The battery kind of exploded, cracked open. Must have been some gas buildup. Still needs a spark to ignite, internal failure of some sort?

    This was a 2 odd year old Sabat, trying Exide now so will see how it goes. People said get a Varta, but not easy to get it seems.

    Luckily all is fine with the vehicle.

    Measured alternator and it's not over charging.

    Back to topic, hope you have good experience with your new battery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapog View Post
    Whats the opinion about Sabat and Raylite?
    Not long ago I helped a friend with bad battery. It was 7 years old in a 2nd car that was not used on regular BBC asis. I found that very good. Willatd only started the 2y warranty a few years ago. I also had 6 years out of a cheapie from Auto one. Willard used to be very good but I would not buy it.

    FNB I now found 3 that would not charge over 12.4V and think it should go higher. Getting about 4 years out of my batteries.

    Dixon I rate highly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistler View Post
    For interest sake, at the start of the year we went away for a weekend, not far, Tulbagh area, and on the way back the Sunday stopped at my inlaws for coffee.

    After about an hour we were ready to drive home, as I turned the key, Bang! Loud noise and some smoky stuff from underneath the bonnet. Quite an unexpected event.

    The battery kind of exploded, cracked open. Must have been some gas buildup. Still needs a spark to ignite, internal failure of some sort?

    This was a 2 odd year old Sabat, trying Exide now so will see how it goes. People said get a Varta, but not easy to get it seems.

    Luckily all is fine with the vehicle.

    Measured alternator and it's not over charging.

    Back to topic, hope you have good experience with your new battery!
    When it comes to electrics, sometimes sh!!et happens.

    When it comes to batteries even more shee!!et can happen

    Even the most experienced electricians are often left scratching their heads and say sheee!!t happens.

    Buy a new battery and smile and wave.

    If shiiiiet happens again, blame Dirk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    How common is over filling of the battery acid in new batteries?

    As I understand it the battery stands empty on the shelf when new and they add the battery acid when you buy it.

    The battery has no overflow pipe and it's leaking acid from the cap which looks like one unified cap for all the cells. Battery Center checked the alternator output and the battery isn't getting hot so I doubt it's venting from being overcharged, all I can think of is that it's been over filled.

    I'm going to take it out tomorrow and see what I can find but I'd appreciate advice as to what I should be looking for.
    Does anyone have any idea's on the above, I have to do a 500km trip with a trailer in 2 days and I don't want another experience with battery acid venting all over and being stranded again.

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    Iíve had good service from Varta batteries
    Can you get Odyssey batteries in SA?
    https://www.odysseybattery.com/
    Not cheap, but pretty tough and hold up to dirt track race car abuse and Iíve seen them in experimental aircraft as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    When it comes to electrics, sometimes sh!!et happens.

    When it comes to batteries even more shee!!et can happen

    Even the most experienced electricians are often left scratching their heads and say sheee!!t happens.

    Buy a new battery and smile and wave.

    If shiiiiet happens again, blame Dirk.
    Hahaha, indeed!
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    Here is a photo of the battery where the acid keeps coming out, it's the same spot where it was leaking out when they put the battery down on the counter at Midas. At the time I thought it was from another battery when it was on the shelf but now that it continues to spiIl out I think it may have been over-filled, maybe just on a few cells.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    Here is a photo of the battery where the acid keeps coming out, it's the same spot where it was leaking out when they put the battery down on the counter at Midas. At the time I thought it was from another battery when it was on the shelf but now that it continues to spiIl out I think it may have been over-filled, maybe just on a few cells.

    Any ideas?

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    Is that the new battery? I would take it back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistler View Post
    Is that the new battery? I would take it back
    Yes the new battery.

    Luckily you can screw off the cell plugs, as expected the cell at the end where it is leaking is overfilled, it's filled to the threads of the plug.

    I have to drive 500km in the next 2 days and the Midas where I purchased the battery is at the end of the journey.
    Also doubt they'll exchange it anyway, probably just remove some of the acid.

    What to do, can I pull some acid out with a syringe?

    What will happen if I leave it over filled, I'm assuming with no space for gas expansion the overfilled cell could vent badly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    Any ideas?
    Glass of Enos on those nuts after you take that faulty battery out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by duncang View Post
    Glass of Enos on those nuts after you take that faulty battery out..
    Yes and everything in a 20cm radius.

    It's seems the acid height is in fact ok, the vehicle was parked on a hill just before I moved it to level ground to check and it has subsequently equalised, I don't know why that cell took so long.

    I'm still mystified as to why the battery is venting acid from that one side.
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