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    Default Some skillful landings in Heathrow

    There is a strong storm in Europe. Some really skillful landings.

    This one must be one of the better:

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/e...ondon-heathrow

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1673PTAEfY

    I am actually surprised that they land in such bad conditions. 380 is a big plane and seems to suffer most.

    I have landed once like this. Only the wind without the rain.
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    Wow, amazing.

    I wonder if it is human skill, computer, or a combination of both?

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    Sjoe!! And then some people still think they pay those senior Airline Captains too much.
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    A few "new tyres and fresh underwear, please" arrivals there!

    The 747s make it look easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    Wow, amazing.

    I wonder if it is human skill, computer, or a combination of both?
    I'm in Belgium right now and yes, there is a bit of a breeze blowing around Europe.

    I think it's all human here. These pilots must fly helicopters in their spare time. Landing at Addis Ababa is always fun because it's above 2000m and very mountainous, so the weather is very often rough.
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    Incredible !

    That Ethiad A380 landing is insane!-looks like she's crabbing in at near 30deg on the crosswind!

    -and the A 380 in full frontal stormy exposure like that-in full dirty configuration ( full flaps, droops, spoilers and airbrakes) - is a sight to behold!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L View Post
    -and the A 380 in full frontal stormy exposure like that-in full dirty configuration ( full flaps, droops, spoilers and airbrakes) - is a sight to behold!
    I love the way the wings curve down to the roots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L View Post
    Incredible !

    That Ethiad A380 landing is insane!-looks like she's crabbing in at near 30deg on the crosswind!

    -and the A 380 in full frontal stormy exposure like that-in full dirty configuration ( full flaps, droops, spoilers and airbrakes) - is a sight to behold!
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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-h5TsO...ature=youtu.be

    That crosswind would be well above the auto land limit. That landing was done by hand.

    But with most large and extra large airliners, the undercarriage is designed to take the twisting force of a crabbed landing (a landing where the nose doesn't face down the runway in order to compensate for crosswind).

    Crosswind technique which would work for smaller aircraft, where one would align the aircraft nose with the runway and dip the wing into the wind just before touch down would cause the outboard engine to scrape the runway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post

    But with most large and extra large airliners, the undercarriage is designed to take the twisting force of a crabbed landing
    ...and what a massive force that must be. Really incredible engineering and flying.

    Do you as commercial pilots enjoy such landings or is it always a bit of a 'dammit we have to land in these conditions'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    Wow, amazing.

    I wonder if it is human skill, computer, or a combination of both?
    Most of those landings will be "CAT 3" Auto-land done by the auto-pilot. The modern airliners have auto-pilot systems that get the aircraft on the ground and hold it on the center line of the runway during roll-out in conjunction with the auto-brake system, when it is disconnected for the crew to taxi it to it's parking bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    I love the way the wings curve down to the roots.
    Beautiful shape!

    Incredible how these structurally sensible and beautiful solutions always seem to so closely mimic natural structures and solutions that exist all around us.
    Where fluid dynamics begin to have effect on natural organisms, things begin to become very interesting indeed..-and this is reflected in what mankind builds to travel the world.

    Inverted gullwing has many benefits for such a large aircraft-

    -structurally allows a very deep main wingspar at root-and massive fuel storage volume,
    -allows for shorter landing gear
    -gives good clearance for the new-generation large diameter high-bypass engines -( and allowing for even bigger ones than currently used)
    -dynamic of the shape provides inherent flight stability
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul#25 View Post
    Most of those landings will be "CAT 3" Auto-land done by the auto-pilot. The modern airliners have auto-pilot systems that get the aircraft on the ground and hold it on the center line of the runway during roll-out in conjunction with the auto-brake system, when it is disconnected for the crew to taxi it to it's parking bay.
    Those crosswinds exceed the the limitations on autoland. They would have to be flown by hand.
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    One good looking and very good plane with gull wing was American Corsair during and after WWII. Short landing gear and huge propeller. Was easy to fly.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=wwII...w=1491&bih=893

    I also noted 380 wing shape. I did not see it earlier. Flown many times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul#25 View Post
    Most of those landings will be "CAT 3" Auto-land done by the auto-pilot. The modern airliners have auto-pilot systems that get the aircraft on the ground and hold it on the center line of the runway during roll-out in conjunction with the auto-brake system, when it is disconnected for the crew to taxi it to it's parking bay.
    Jip and now Airbus has demonstrated ATTOL (Autonomous Taxi, Take-off and Landing) in a A350. I mean how hard can it be, seeing that we were called "Glorified Bus Drivers" by our Sinister of Transport a few years ago.

    I am sure Michael O'Leary of Ryanair with is crazy ideas would like this. Also our company, then they won't have to put up with rostering meltdowns almost daily

    Chuck in some robotic hosties and the bean counters will be happy!!

    On a serious note, there comes a time when "George" will not be able to land, and then quickly run out of alternate airports to choose from. That is when 20-40 years of experience kicks in and you earn your bonus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumbles View Post
    Jip and now Airbus has demonstrated ATTOL (Autonomous Taxi, Take-off and Landing) in a A350. I mean how hard can it be, seeing that we were called "Glorified Bus Drivers" by our Sinister of Transport a few years ago.

    I am sure Michael O'Leary of Ryanair with is crazy ideas would like this. Also our company, then they won't have to put up with rostering meltdowns almost daily

    Chuck in some robotic hosties and the bean counters will be happy!!

    On a serious note, there comes a time when "George" will not be able to land, and then quickly run out of alternate airports to choose from. That is when 20-40 years of experience kicks in and you earn your bonus!
    Yes, that's when landing the damn thing feels like reversing an angry Braman Bull by it's horns into a horse trailer.
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