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View Poll Results: Overlanding is a trip by car, that:

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  • Lasts a few days, visiting more than one overnight stop

    8 5.33%
  • Lasts a week or more, might require 4x4

    4 2.67%
  • Lasts a week of more, might need 4x4, accomodation mostly self reliant

    45 30.00%
  • As above, but also requires navigation/mapreading

    16 10.67%
  • As above, requires map reading/navigation, accomodation irrelevant

    21 14.00%
  • As above, but must cross a country border

    17 11.33%
  • As above, but requires full self reliance. Incudes unmapped terrain/areas with no roads

    39 26.00%
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    I do 4x4 safaris into Africa. In my view, overlanding is to cover at least 3 countries in the duration of the trip. e.g, From RSA, at least cover 3 of the following: Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, Tanzania. If you are brave, the DRC, Ruanda, and Angola. If you just go to Namibia for a week or two, roadtrip is the appropriate definition. Overland is for me to go over a few "lands"- countries.
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    So when I travel in my car from Joburg to Durban I'm overlanding?

    Think I'll give that definition a skip, thanks.
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    A bit OT but relevant as a concept.

    My family have been doing the Grand Tour since the 1700s, my offspring did it in 2014 and 2015. The destinations have remained the same although the modes of transport changed as did the time spent. It expanded to include Egypt some time in the 1800s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour

    It has become so common place in Europe these days that the ''Grand'' has been dropped and now anyone embarking on it is just another tourist.

    So, current ''Overlanding'' will have to include in it's current definition:

    1. Rarity of occurrence in terms of number of people going there
    2. Rarity of destination in terms of places never or seldom visited
    3. Hard to get to in terms of cost and access

    And remember:
    Overlanding is a matter of perspective, to a local, the Overlander is a tourist
    If it doesnt include the above three criteria, it is touring

    On the timeline of 4x4 endevours, there are 3 eras: 1. The Vehicle based Expeditions of discovery Era; then 2. Like the finding of the antiquities in Egypt, the (Grand Tourers) Overlander Era (above 3 criteria) and then came, as accessibility increased and costs came down, 3. the Tourists Era

    We are, by and large, in the Tourist era and therefore, our 4x4s are touring vehicles and we are tourists.
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    I remember an old lady on carte Blanche who left CT to travel to Cairo in a small Mazda 323 or some sorts. Is this also not Overlanding??
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    For me what the Voetspore team does is overlanding.

    Is the type of vehicle important to this, eg bike, d/c, SUV etc. Some might even say you need at least a Unimog or equivalent for REAL overlanding - but that might be a bit extreme. (Everything is relative)

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    Alistair Cooks’ Series “ Civilisation “ and the follow-up book provided
    quite an insightful perspective of the topic , for me.
    The book included a comment by Alistair Cook ...
    something to the effect of :
    “ I cant, even now, really define or state exactly what Civilisation is ...
    ... but I know it when I see it “

    Maybe we just say that of “ Overlanding “ too
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    I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so this is probably a repeat of what has been said already.
    I use the term overlanding very specifically: it is completely self-sufficient, vehicle-dependent travel through one or more countries over an extended period of time, with or without a specific destination in mind - but the destination is always of secondary concern.
    In other words, you carry all your own food and supplies (and don't rely on resupplying other than at local markets/dukas/spazas/general dealers); you are equipped to do all your own mechanical maintenance and repairs, with the help of local bush mechanics where possible (and don't rely on equipped workshops, satphone rescue etc); you are equipped to deal with minor medical emergencies; you do not have a fixed schedule and are not booked into X-campsite on Y-day; you are quite happy to take a boskak and couldn't give a damn about whether or not there are shiny ablutions along the way; you are equipped with an insatiable curiosity about the local people, don't fear them, interact with them as much as possible, and try to learn as much of the local language as possible; and you are not on a tick-list of places to see and things to do.
    In short, the journey is the object, the destination/s are incidental.
    A holiday camping trip to a bunch of organised, fenced or unfenced campsites is not overlanding, it is camping. That's not to be derogatory about camping trips, I do those too, but the difference is vast. When you're overlanding, finding a bush camp for the night is part of the journey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtshark View Post
    If there is a need for carrying two spares then you are overlanding
    Either overlanding, or driving a Landy...

    Seriously, I normally have several different spares in my drawer system. Permanently. For what I know are the more temperamental parts...

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    Interesting to note most voters suggested unmapped terrain with no roads - this strictly implies probably 1% of those thinking they overland are actually doing "it". I think that is probably the idyllic picture of overlanding, but in reality it's pretty much what you make of it. I'd think the closest acronym would be "off the beaten track". It's about, mostly self sufficiently, travelling with a vehicle visiting natural places not normally visited, by means of less traveled back roads or tracks. I don't however think there's one single correct answer to what it is.

    So is me going to the Kgalagadi next week a camping trip or an overlanding trip? It probably qualifies as overlanding for some, but in my mind it's just a camping trip. I'm going there on the main tar roads and traversing Sanparks roads. I'm still self sufficient and totally off the grid with solar power. Had I rather went to the Richtersveld, it probably would have been more overlanding. With both I took a tar road there. Both were in a national park. Both I was off the grid. Both I camped. The only difference being that the Richtersveld isn't "main stream" with less man made comforts and more extreme conditions. Again pointing to it's very much what your mindset is and what experience you desire. As long as you travel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Interesting to note most voters suggested unmapped terrain with no roads - this strictly implies probably 1% of those thinking they overland are actually doing "it". I think that is probably the idyllic picture of overlanding, but in reality it's pretty much what you make of it. I'd think the closest acronym would be "off the beaten track". It's about, mostly self sufficiently, travelling with a vehicle visiting natural places not normally visited, by means of less traveled back roads or tracks. I don't however think there's one single correct answer to what it is.

    So is me going to the Kgalagadi next week a camping trip or an overlanding trip? It probably qualifies as overlanding for some, but in my mind it's just a camping trip. I'm going there on the main tar roads and traversing Sanparks roads. I'm still self sufficient and totally off the grid with solar power. Had I rather went to the Richtersveld, it probably would have been more overlanding. With both I took a tar road there. Both were in a national park. Both I was off the grid. Both I camped. The only difference being that the Richtersveld isn't "main stream" with less man made comforts and more extreme conditions. Again pointing to it's very much what your mindset is and what experience you desire. As long as you travel...
    I agree with much of what you say.

    ... but incidentally I find the N14 from say Sannieshof to Uppington inclusive one of the least enjoyable long tarred road stretches, and I try not to stop, even to refuel, in the towns at all.
    Too many reported incidents...
    but beyond Uppington a ‘New World! ‘
    Next trip that way will plot a course off the well beaten track, time permitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterOos View Post
    For me what the Voetspore team does is overlanding.

    Is the type of vehicle important to this, eg bike, d/c, SUV etc. Some might even say you need at least a Unimog or equivalent for REAL overlanding - but that might be a bit extreme. (Everything is relative)

    Don't even disregard bicycles! https://www.davestravelpages.com/com...cycle-and-4wd/
    Google http://reismetrys.blogspot.com/ THAT is real overlanding in my eyes - even though not compliant with most of the above definitions.
    Call it an "Epic adventure" if you wish.
    Eish! It runs in the family - we just prefer the old Suuz and RTT being a "little" older ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by iandvl View Post
    Either overlanding, or driving a Landy...

    Seriously, I normally have several different spares in my drawer system. Permanently. For what I know are the more temperamental parts...
    Methinks this post got lost in translation... you mean other vehicles (other than Landies) don't get punctures?
    You must have a very big drawer system if you have "several different spares" in there - I hope they all have the same size rim, otherwise you are asking for trouble..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter26 View Post
    I remember an old lady on carte Blanche who left CT to travel to Cairo in a small Mazda 323 or some sorts. Is this also not Overlanding??
    I remember this although not sure about the vehicle, but it was a small car.
    YES! In my opinion that was overlanding of note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1949 View Post
    I remember this although not sure about the vehicle, but it was a small car.
    YES! In my opinion that was overlanding of note.
    It was a Toyota Tazz, and yes, that was overlanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermine View Post
    I still dont see a defender or cruiser for me as a practical overlander. Their consumption is too high, and their space too limited, and the 5000km service interval is a pain on a 8000km trip
    My fuel consumption is 8.8Km/l over the 7 years I've owned it.
    The service intervals are 15k km but I prefer to do it every 10k km or annually.
    And for space, well there's no comparison.

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    This thread is relevant: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...r-here-to-stay

    It's fascinating how it seems to be a relatively recent trend in the USA, some of the videos I find quite hilarious: huge V8s, every possible accessory and then all they do is drive on some very mild gravel roads between resorts.

    It's obviously a very subjective experience, I prefer to keep it simple and to get away from everything. Also to note that you immediately increase the social gulf between yourself and any of the locals when you rock up sporting equipment and vehicles etc. that cost more than people's homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Weaver View Post
    I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so this is probably a repeat of what has been said already.
    I use the term overlanding very specifically: it is completely self-sufficient, vehicle-dependent travel through one or more countries over an extended period of time, with or without a specific destination in mind - but the destination is always of secondary concern.
    In other words, you carry all your own food and supplies (and don't rely on resupplying other than at local markets/dukas/spazas/general dealers); you are equipped to do all your own mechanical maintenance and repairs, with the help of local bush mechanics where possible (and don't rely on equipped workshops, satphone rescue etc); you are equipped to deal with minor medical emergencies; you do not have a fixed schedule and are not booked into X-campsite on Y-day; you are quite happy to take a boskak and couldn't give a damn about whether or not there are shiny ablutions along the way; you are equipped with an insatiable curiosity about the local people, don't fear them, interact with them as much as possible, and try to learn as much of the local language as possible; and you are not on a tick-list of places to see and things to do.
    In short, the journey is the object, the destination/s are incidental.
    A holiday camping trip to a bunch of organised, fenced or unfenced campsites is not overlanding, it is camping. That's not to be derogatory about camping trips, I do those too, but the difference is vast. When you're overlanding, finding a bush camp for the night is part of the journey.
    I totally agree this post.
    Overlanding is a way of life, a philosophy. The most important is "the journey". And the heaven gives us a gift: the time stop. You never know where you will be at night. You don't know if the track will be difficult or no. You don't know if the border crossing will be easy or no. Etc... You leave day after day. With time to see, ear, meet, discover, taste, smell. You need a lot of openmind and a little bit of resiliency.
    Of course the most selfsufficient; no tour operator, no guide, no hotel. Bushcamp most of the time. A campsite sometimes for a shower or when bushcamp is impossible...
    I'm travelling since many years around the world with a Toyota HZJ78 camper (selfbuilded). A 4*2 car is sufficient for 70% of the course but only for 10% of the bushcamps.
    I meet a lot of overlanders with bikes, motorbikes, trucks, campers, hitchhiking. One by foot from Alaska to Ushuaia! All stopped time to watch elswhere.
    A good author said there are 4 indispensables virtues for overlanding: like to go to see elsewhere, like to be free, a little bit of no conformism and the acceptation of the risk.

    However there is a problem in several countries. It's impossible for me to have a booking for anything. I don't know where I will be ten days later. How to do for campsites in parks (out of school holidays)? And for bushcamp is it posssible to have a permit from a farmer to stay one night on his property? Of course I leave nothing, nothing.
    Only the trace of my wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Weaver View Post
    Methinks this post got lost in translation... you mean other vehicles (other than Landies) don't get punctures?
    You must have a very big drawer system if you have "several different spares" in there - I hope they all have the same size rim, otherwise you are asking for trouble..........
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    "A very important distinction needs to be made between the Offroader and the Overland traveller; often the two are thought to be the same.
    An Offroader uses his vehicle, usually highly modified and not his daily driver, for recreational purposes and perhaps the odd holiday where he will venture into the realm of the Overlander for a while. His priority is to test the limitations and endurance of both himself and his vehicle either in designated 4×4 areas or on a round trip to an adventure destination where he will rely on the vehicle to take him to remote places over difficult terrain. The Offroader has nerves of steel.
    The Overlander’s objective is adventure travel over vastly changing terrain while testing his own courage and resourcefulness and the vehicle’s endurance and reliability, all while maintaining some degree of comfort, usually over an extended period of time. Not all Overlanders like to drive far from the beaten track and many will never exploit the off-road capabilities of their vehicles. There is nothing wrong with this way of travel. Many places we have been are accessible by a well-driven, unloved sedan. If you are an Offroader who intends to become an Overlander, you will have a fantastic journey if you are willing to adapt your mindset by carefully considering your long-term travel needs." - Graeme Bell


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    In 1995 we bumped into two guys in the Jeffereys Bay Caravan Park. They were from London on their way to Cape Town, and came all the way through Africa on their mountain bikes. When we asked them how long they have been on the road they said they do not want to know. They were obviously sponsored or very rich kids, because somewhere in Africa their bikes were stolen one night. New equipment was then flown in to them by chopper.

    I guess with an adventure like that losing track of time is to your advantage - if you have that sort of time.

    For the mentally and physically strong that must be an experience of a lifetime.
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