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    Quote Originally Posted by hgbosch View Post
    Hi Marcochezzi

    I have exactly the same with the NV225 TFC on my Td6 Fattie. Drive off and turn and there is a rumble in the TFC. Then I know it is time again to drain the oil. It takes a special oil formulated for the NV225 which has a torsen diff inside, and not friction discs.

    This is the precise reason, why I am sticking with this vehicle. Those who have read my antics over the past 10 years know that I leave no stone unturned, to get the extra power from my rigs.

    Even though it has the BMW M57D30 straight six, she pushes close to 500Nm, which is more than enough to play with some serious hardware on our roads.

    For those not very technical, a friction disc based LSD is a reactive device, i.e. it springs into action, once an imbalance in rotating speed has occurred. In contrast a torsen diff is a pro-active device, in that it will always flow the power distribution to the side with THE MOST TRACTION.

    It puts the road holding on loose gravel onto a different level.
    Thanks Mr Bosch, yes the first of the "friction snake oil" transfer cases was indeed the Borg Warner 1336 from circa 1973, which was called the quadratrac in those days, originally planned as a a military project.. It used specialized oil that if replaced with ordinary slippery stuff would chew up the conical washer / cone combination and that would assure you had a permanently open full time case in a matter of a few minutes.....

    They too would bind in turns when not used much, causing pops and thumps and bumps.. if I recall they called it stick slip or some arbitrary name like that, if the oil was still fresh, you were advised to drive a few tight figure of 8's in order to force oil in the clutch & cone assembly, after which you were good to go for a further X amount of miles..

    Things have changed, but the principle ultimately remains the same..

    Best of luck with your Fattie, and NV225..!
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    Quote Originally Posted by walkabout View Post
    Excellently written Marcochezzi, agree with tashtego9, you should be tasked to write a daily or at least weekly story to lighten our days!

    I'm holding thumps your story keeps its happy ending, after all of that your deserve it!
    Thanks Walkabout, I too hope the bumps and thumps stay away for at least a year, that way I will feel satisfied in a satisfied kind of way..
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    As you say its not just LR is everyone, Reminds me when I took my defender to an independent Land rover garage in Montague Gardens about 10 years agonow, just for an oil change (wasn't in the mood to do it myself). No sooner than when I got home after dropping it off I got a call, "you need a new head gasket and brake shoes". I said give me a minute I need to check my finances. I jumped in my car drove around stood in front of the service manager and mechanic demanding what was was going on. I showed him the new gasket I fitted about 3 months earlier which I had actually marked with some white paint on the edge, I guess they think if there is a new part on the vehicle they can try scam you that they fitted it. I asked please show me where the head gasket is blown, of course they couldn't and I have never been back since.
    Actually the brake pads were still around 7 mm and the wheels still on.
    I took my landy straight away without even getting the oil change done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karol View Post
    Awesome read, for some reason I read it with Jeremy Clarksons voice in my mind.

    As mentioned already, this is the attitude of most dealers around large metros that have a lot of vehicles coming in for repair.

    Since clever accounting types are all in charge, they demand things like average revenue per square meter for workshop. Incentivizing managers for higher revenue generating job cards.

    yielding ( turning away) low revenue repairs vs high revenue repairs.

    having owned a luxury SUV over 6 years now, every time a dealer services it there is some unscrupulous effort to up sell a replacement that does not need replacing.

    You can place brand new brakes and brake pads a week before, then book it in for a service, and you will be guaranteed to get a call from a " client liaison" say both front and rear brakes need replacing. To which I always reply that the brakes have sensors which will warn me well in advance if the brakes are reaching there end, and I trust them more.

    Once I had the call that the computer indicates that the timing belt was not done and its overdue. " Your engine could suffer catastrophic failure if this preventative measure is not done"

    After checking if she had the right customer- " Are you sure miss, my car is the V6 TDI touareg" in case she had me confused with an amarok. I point out to her that this car has a timing chain for life- not a timing belt.

    " Oh, I just read the report the mechanic has given me"

    To which I always say

    " tell your mechanic to just change to oil and oil filter, make sure he uses the right replacement sump plug otherwise it will leak"
    Yes of course, you are probably right, i never even gave it a thought about the potential profit margins, I really just wanted my goods fixed... Look, somehow I think this 5 year motorplan scenario is also to blame, simply because while its great for the client, it must be hell in a busy dealership when they have no choice but to do something for the client..

    Thankfully Land Rover is uber reliable, so not to much of a traffic jam there right..??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcochezzi View Post
    ... Look, somehow I think this 5 year motorplan scenario is also to blame, simply because while its great for the client, it must be hell in a busy dealership when they have no choice but to do something for the client..

    Thankfully Land Rover is uber reliable, so not to much of a traffic jam there right..??
    This is the crux of it.

    They are between a rock and hard place. They have to give the motorplan, because otherwise people would not buy them (well, normal people), in fear of super expensive bills.

    But then, because of the issues that arise, they get swamped with customers.

    In a way I kinda feel sorry for 'John', as he has been put there to weather the storm, when the company is ultimate responsible.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is anything in it for LR to repair anything if the vehicle is in Motorplan. This assumes that Motorplans, even for new cars, are not provided by LR themselves, though they are sold as part of the whole new car deal, and it looks like LR, but its not.

    So thats a pretty big assumption, but I do think it might be true: I think motor plans are provided by specialist insurance companies, or divisions of manufacturers that act like specialist insurance companies. Makes sense to me.

    All the LR dealer has to do is show reasonable cause for the part to be replaced (which in this case, the dealer would clearly not be able to do if scrutinised, but maybe that's a game they play if they don't think the Motorplan contractor is going to actually check)

    The replacement is paid for by the company contracted to supply the Motorplan (ie not LR themselves), and the dealer scores margin on the new part, as well as labour for the install.

    Way less risk of failure, the customer thinks they have a great deal, and the only problem is that Motorplans remain, or get more, expensive (or new car prices including Motorplan remain expensive). And of course there is a huge waste of resources and a dumbing down of knowledge: no need to carefully diagnose and repair anymore.

    Isn't that the way it works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoneout View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is anything in it for LR to repair anything if the vehicle is in Motorplan. This assumes that Motorplans, even for new cars, are not provided by LR themselves, though they are sold as part of the whole new car deal, and it looks like LR, but its not.

    So thats a pretty big assumption, but I do think it might be true: I think motor plans are provided by specialist insurance companies, or divisions of manufacturers that act like specialist insurance companies. Makes sense to me.

    All the LR dealer has to do is show reasonable cause for the part to be replaced (which in this case, the dealer would clearly not be able to do if scrutinised, but maybe that's a game they play if they don't think the Motorplan contractor is going to actually check)

    The replacement is paid for by the company contracted to supply the Motorplan (ie not LR themselves), and the dealer scores margin on the new part, as well as labour for the install.

    Way less risk of failure, the customer thinks they have a great deal, and the only problem is that Motorplans remain, or get more, expensive (or new car prices including Motorplan remain expensive). And of course there is a huge waste of resources and a dumbing down of knowledge: no need to carefully diagnose and repair anymore.

    Isn't that the way it works?
    Thats interesting, not really sure how it works, I do know that when they did change all the rolly bits underneath whilst in motorplan, on each and every item they needed a go-ahead from JLR themselves, well at least that is what was indicated to me on a number of occasions where they informed me that things were pending HQ's permission per se..
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    Marcochezzi, im sorry to hear the crap you have had to deal with.

    i cannot offer any advise, but, have you ever considered a career in writing? Seriously, that was bloody well written
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    My FIL also has a LR. After the bad services he went to Landyworx. Apparently vey good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLandy View Post
    It's not just LR, it's every manufacturer and anybody younger than 40! Seems like people don't know how to fix anything anymore.

    That includes dishwashers, stoves, fridges and cars..

    I told a kid ( he is 33, has 2 degrees) the other day he should change his own car oil... He was amazed that I could do an oil change, said I was old, because only old people learnt skills like that..
    Biggest load of hogwash, but then again it's always the other generation that is the problem :rolleyesll

    I used to service my Defenders but I just don't have the time anymore and my time is worth more to me than the cost to pay someone else to do it.

    80/20 princple, my hourly rate is alot more than a mechanic, even a JLR mechanic.

    I also don't paint my own house anymore, or do my own washing, I barely wash my own car. Guess I have failed as an adult haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcochezzi View Post
    Landrover – honestly, I expected just a little more from you…

    A short story, because I like telling stories, and since you are here, I guess you like reading them...

    So while this is not intended as a bitch session, it might actually well be, not that I expect that Landrover SA will ever give a flying toss, however in some small way I hope this letter finds its way to John (Pseudonym), the service manager at Landrover branchname Somewhere in Gauteng, between Alberton And Sandton, and to his client liaison officer Marcy (not really sure if this is the correct job title.. but what the hell, we’ll use it, and for the sake of anonymity, another pseudonym)

    Pseudonyms are being used here, since I do not want to get into a legal battle with Her Majesty’s finest, but heck, John, if you read this, you know who you are, and just somehow, I think you will...

    So, my 2014 RR SC 405 Fattie, damn..., heck of a vehicle, genuine, like I smile every time I use it... She makes me feel good in a manly kind of way, and please, genuinely, please don’t pass comment that the fattie is compensation for a small nana or some crap like that, because quite honestly the only one who would know if that is true or false is my wife (and ok quite possibly also my GP since he has worked on some tubes down there..), and my wife sure as hell won’t tell you if it’s true, then no sense going further right, I mean if it is true, well, I guess I would not know better as I still have all the fun, with the long or the short of it so to say……

    Anyway, I digress, however my driving smile became a bit of a grimace a few weeks back...

    Let’s picture the scene since inception... somewhere around the 31K mark I noted a rather annoying rumble on this vehicle, only apparent around 120-140kph, mostly on deceleration, irrespective whether in neutral or in gear.
    LR Branch Somewhere Between Alberton and Sandton changed literally everything that spun under her, short of the motor and gearbox, took ages, as these things do, but I remained loyal and calm, and for what it’s worth, no matter the depth of despair that they might have felt in trying as best they could to resolve my issues, they were not doing me a favour, it’s part of the 5 year contract, if its fu..ed, they fix it, it’s called obligation, not favour..

    They never fixed it… I was shirked off after an untold amount of time being told that the noise it makes is now considered standard.. John, the service manager (pseudonym) does that when his back is to a wall, the shirk off thing, it pisses me off, badly, like really really frikking annoys me, because that means that you are taking me for granted, or classifying me an idiot, which while I might have some issues, I am no idiot, but then hey, who am I but a mere annoying pimple on the arse of a giant somewhere between Alberton and Sandton right…

    His statement of “acceptable standard” makes me laugh though as they sure as hell accepted and attempted the repair by changing literally everything (I’m repeating myself here) that spins, so the little pip residing beetle must have pulled a lever in the collective Landrover technical team brain, because lets be serious, who the f..k is going to fork out that kind of money undertaking a repair that is not necessary since the symptom is not a symptom but a functional norm…

    Around the 38 or 39K mark I returned to them, swallowed my pride and stupidly (yes, I am prone to be stupid from time to time) ignoring the fact that the initial rumble in the jungle repair still rumbled in the jungle, took it upon myself to explain to the self-same John (Pseudonym) that now the transfer case clunks, and thumps, and chatters, and groans. This only happens in a sharp turn, from standstill.

    However, what I did do, is research the symptom, as neither my 302SC or 322SC did the same thing, despite both having had much much much higher mileages...

    Turns out there is a LR technical bulletin out there (I have the copy) to do with this very symptom, got to do with the transfer case fluid and clutches in the case binding etc etc...

    The simple solution to all this is a fluid double flush, plus the upload of some mystical mystery LR software, ‘cause goodness knows if you do not include that software the vehicle will implode, whilst you are on the N1 trying to prove to a nation that she gets to 225…

    “Yes”, agreed John (Pseudonym), you are quite correct, in fact we at branch Somewhere Between Alberton And Sandton employ a Tecchie (not being derogatory here, I’m also a Tecchie..) whose sole purpose is to take care of these faults, often we take it up a level and change clutch packs as well if so required….

    So I guess, possibly mistaken though, that this fault is a hell of a lot more common than what is imagined, since they employ the Tecchie for the sole purpose thereof…….

    So, book her in, somewhere around March last year… Go back 3 or 5 days later (memory is vague at my age...) to collect the fattie, now sporting a brand brand brand new transfer case, not reconditioned mind you, brand new, no double oil flush in the original box, brand new...!!

    “Why??” I asked..

    ‘Cause it’s easier and under warranty...

    Jeez, imagine that, changing a transfer case is easier than a double flush and arbitrary data upload..., anyway, who am I to complain about how JLR chooses to burn Her Majesty’s money

    ————————————-


    That was March / April last year

    June 2019 the vehicle falls out of her 5-year plan...

    July / August vehicle calls for service, time mind you, not mileage, sh1t she barely had 40K on her, if that…

    So I change oil, oil filters, air filters… me, not branch Somewhere Between Alberton And Sandton, me, and by the way thanks again MikeBob for your kind sponsorship, it is not forgotten!!

    Fast forward January 2020, and the transfer case clunk returns, first not much, by end January she was literally dragging her arse around every tight turn.

    So off I go to LR branch Somewhere Between Alberton And Sandton, on a Saturday mind you, only to find Marcy (pseudonym) the service client liaison officer willing to help...

    I explained the scenario, naturally concerned, to which I was informed that JLR might be willing to help as the transfer case is only 8 or 9 months old, even though the vehicle is out of the 5 year plan, “however”’ she states in a questioning way, “You were supposed to have a service done with us on the vehicle in July – one month after the end of the plan, why did you miss it..??”

    “Actually did not miss it”, I said, “I did however do it all myself, she was out of warrantee and I was technically not obligated to return to you”

    “Well then we cannot help” she replied respectfully...

    “Why?” I asked, “The known transfer case issue has jack to do with the fact that engine oil and filters were changed, jack...”

    “Ya but It’s one car..”

    “That’s like my wife going to the fanny doctor to complain about her failed tooth repair”, I state, “despite the doctor arguing that he had jack to do with her tooth, your reply is equivalent to her telling the fanny doctor, but it’s one body….” (in a roundabout kind of way)

    There was a moments silence….

    “look”, she said, “come back in the new week and have a chat with John the service manager…”

    “Cool”, I reply, and off I went…

    Bet you all know where this is going right, I mean if you made it this far, you might as well read on...

    New week Monday, John says, “no problem, bring her in Wednesday and I’ll see what I can do...”

    Wednesday take her in, dealing with the same Marcy, perfectly professional as one would expect.

    And then the dreaded almost expected silence of the lambs…

    Come Friday afternoon, late, I call and chat to Marcy, “so where the hell is my car?” I ask....

    “look”, she said, “We tried, but there is no way around the non-service issue, sorry, genuine..”

    “So what is the next step?”, I ask

    “So the transfer case needs replacing..

    “Again”, I say, that must be an all time record..

    “Yes” Marcy replies, “and that including 8 bolts excluding labour is R100K..”

    “100K..??”, I repeat, “that’s 2 transfer cases in 9 months, maybe 10 months at a stretch….., 100K??”

    “Yes”, she replied again, “100k…”

    Think about this folks, that’s a 1 with 5 zero’s, R100 000.00, read that, that’s a shedload of somethings, anythings, whateverthings...
    Now that might not be much if you are Zuma or a paid member of his 225 735 strong band of thieves clan, me, I’m really a pretty ordinary bloke, and those 5 zeros count..!!

    “Is my car in one piece”, I ask

    “Yes”, she replies…

    “Cool”, I say, “Leave her be, I’m on the way to fetch her….”

    “But she’s not washed yet”, she replies…

    “No issues there”, I say, “please leave her be”, fearing the wash might land up costing me R2K…

    Get to the dealer branch Somewhere Between Alberton And Sandton Friday afternoon late, it was relatively quiet, John (pseudonym) was attached to his phone, Marcy (pseudonym) beckoned me on sheepishly..

    “I’m sorry”, she stated, “We really did try, but that service thing just got in the way..”

    “Yep”, I say, not wanting to repeat the fanny doctor thing, “However I do not really believe you, you see”, I reply to her obvious surprise / concern / Landrover client Liaison officer possibly fake reaction..

    “The way I see it”, I continued, “Is that you did jack on the car, maybe even less than jack, in fact in all probability your service manager John (pseudonym) probably told you to call me with some arbitrary inflated figure after you ran to him to question what to do next, in order that I just turn around and walk away, and if that is the case it really really annoys me, but of course, it’s all assumption on my part and I will never be able to prove that will I?”

    “I’m really sorry”, she replied..

    “So then that’s it?”, I ask, “Nothing more?”

    “Nope”, she confirms, “That’s pretty much it…”

    “Do I owe you anything for this?”, I ask..

    “Nope”, she replied.. “you are welcome to leave with the vehicle now if you wish, will you need a pass out card??”..

    “Just one question please before I leave if I may”, I ask quietly. “What about the JLR technical bulletin for a double flush on the box, that’s all they ever mentioned you should do, nothing more nothing less, my question to you positioned with all due respect and not being an arse here, why did you or John not even offer me that solution, I mean, you had that option didn’t you, its not like you ‘have’ to change the transfer case, in all reality that was the last and most ridiculous option, the first option was to follow your JLR technical bulletin, which I reminded you of at the very beginning of this little adventure, so you did have another immediate option at your disposal, which all things considered, I would have gladly paid for, since you seemingly had her on a lift already, why did you not offer me that option??..”

    She minced on that for a while, and then replied, “Sir, I hear you, and this time I honestly have no words, I have no answer for you, there’s nothing more I can add to that..”

    How’s that for a reply good people, service level 101 breached, I remember reading a thread a few days back about our shocking service levels and rate of call returns, tell me this does not fit the bill…

    “Thank you for your help” I said respectfully, and left, knocking gently on Johns office window wall panel whilst exiting, he still clutching his phone, offering him a thumbs up in thanks for his efforts, I guess I‘m still old school and I do pay respect..

    Now look, I’m no genius, but transfer cases are just not such complex pieces of kit in my eyes, hell I virtually redesigned my entire ’76 Jeep quadratrac transfer case, the original transfer case mind you, which for what it’s worth holds the title of the world’s first all-aluminium, chain driven, permanent 4wd with centre diff and torsen (similar) style limited slip functionality (Borg Warner..), I could write a book on that case, not to mention the Dana cases I have worked on and modified quite extensively, still all functional, it’s really all meccano ultimately…

    The fatties transfer case is just another chain driven (chain = front only) permanent 4wd transfer case with electronic locking centre diff, the diff being controlled through clutchplates such that they can engage & lock in an instant, while rotating, without having to stop or slow down etc etc etc. They are clutchplates, made of clutch plate stuff, not some form of exclusive product available only to the secret locked and fed through a window technical dept of the JLR transfer case team…

    Yes, I understand that the functionality of those plates might shift through different states of “applied pressure” such that the fatties clever all terrain control system functions as it should, but I’m sceptical in that regard for now, personally I believe It’s either open, or locked, nothing more..

    So what to do, what to do, what to do.…??...

    That was Friday 2 weeks back.. Saturday I go and purchase Land Rover transfer case fluid made of Sperm whale sap and compressed Beeno’s, I describe it as that because if you have smelt the sh1t, you would agree…

    Fattie takes 1,5 litres, I purchase 3 litres, yep double flush maths… 3 litres came to give or take R1 680, including vat…

    Jacked the suspension to max height, ice cream tub under the belly of the beast, cracked open the drain nut-bolt thing and watched the stinky stuff leave the dormitory.. 3 minutes to get to that stage I think, maximum…

    Replaced the drain plug, removed the filler plug and pumped the fresh sperm whale / beenos sap into the inlet, 1,5 litres, probably 3 minutes as well..

    Specs say drive the vehicle for 10 minutes and then repeat the drain – fill thing…

    Thought I’d give it a little more time to make use of the fresh fluid so drove for three days on the first replacement fluid… nothing, like nothing, not a pop, not a groan, not a grunt, not a drag, not a thump….

    3 days later I replaced the fluid for the 2nd refill, and yes, its whisper quiet and smooth..

    Now look, I have no doubt that now that I have written this short story, my transfercase will implode in another 2 weeks time, and if that happens, I will take pics and post, however, for now I will let sleeping Sperm whales lie..

    Have since then chatted to a good mate who has a M3 amongst his arsenal, surprisingly he mentioned the exact thing happens on the limited slip diff on that specific model, when it does you don’t replace the diff, you simply change the BMW Sperm whale oil and drive on until next time.. I mean, Would you believe it, think about how many M3 limited slip differential factories around the world are going bust....

    More research revealed that a fellow in the UK on one of the popular Fattie websites simply replaces the oil on a yearly basis, it’s just not worth being bothered about it, just do it and be done…

    So there you have it.. R100k, R1,6k, bet if the damn thing pukes Ill get it all repaired on my workbench for less than R10k, including a chain for R3k..

    That’s crap service Landrover, like really really crap. Quite frankly, I deserved better, not free, but better, which you were able to provide if you just tried a little harder. Your lack of compassion shines through as arrogant, and I fear this will stand you in poor stead in years to come.

    That day, in my heart, I was truly saddened to have flown your flag, been your customer and supporter of your product..

    Yours truly – A pimple on the arse of a giant, somewhere between Alberton and Sandton..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    Biggest load of hogwash, but then again it's always the other generation that is the problem :rolleyesllI used to service my Defenders but I just don't have the time anymore and my time is worth more to me than the cost to pay someone else to do it. 80/20 princple, my hourly rate is alot more than a mechanic, even a JLR mechanic.I also don't paint my own house anymore, or do my own washing, I barely wash my own car. Guess I have failed as an adult haha
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    Why oh why does LR do this to their customers and themselves? I try and keep my Disco 2 running, mostly by working on the daily leaks, bu LR agents -NO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellie2 View Post
    I share your disappointment with JLR Somewhere Between Alberton and Sandton
    My disappointment with LR lies somewhere between Cape Town, Solihull and Calcutta
    Estee = S T = Sean Towlson

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    Fyn brag?
    He's not only rich, but very humble!
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    My Freelander 2 with hot engine only started after about 30 min. Dealer between Durban and Mtuba replaced several items at about R 10.000 without results. I then decided to buy a diagnostic tool, followed up on the problem codes by replacing 3 sensors and hey presto my Freelander 2 i6 starts now on the button hot or cold. I am 74 and still had to fix it myself using a bit of common sense and 3 sensors. Shows the dealers expertise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
    My Freelander 2 with hot engine only started after about 30 min. Dealer between Durban and Mtuba replaced several items at about R 10.000 without results. I then decided to buy a diagnostic tool, followed up on the problem codes by replacing 3 sensors and hey presto my Freelander 2 i6 starts now on the button hot or cold. I am 74 and still had to fix it myself using a bit of common sense and 3 sensors. Shows the dealers expertise
    But would it be a Land Rover if it didn't force you to employ a bit of DIY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildhunter View Post
    Marcochezzi, im sorry to hear the crap you have had to deal with.

    i cannot offer any advise, but, have you ever considered a career in writing? Seriously, that was bloody well written
    No Captain, I’m too old to start fresh careers, I’ll keep what I have for now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhlippieV View Post
    But would it be a Land Rover if it didn't force you to employ a bit of DIY?
    Exactly..
    Every dog has its day, and those with broken tails have their weak-ends...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    My disappointment with LR lies somewhere between Cape Town, Solihull and Calcutta
    ST you are truly international..!!
    Every dog has its day, and those with broken tails have their weak-ends...

    1976 CJ-7, 400CI + Holley EFI, Tera-Low 3,15:1 twin stick, ARB's front & rear, oil leaks & plenty more....

    All my other petrol burners are boring....

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