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    The world is changing. German car companies are investing heavily to electric cars. One thing I did not expect. Mercedes has joined forces with Chinese Geely. 2022 all Smarts will be only electric. No diesel or petrol. Head Office for the joint venture will be in China. The design project is so secret that even company internal messaging is basically banned.

    Merc is pushing out one after an other electric model. Light duty starts at 48V, e.g. no more 12 V as the main system. I understand that the cars have still 12 V systems in some areas.

    With our Eskom....

    New excuse for coming late to work: "I could not charge my car."
    New excuse for late payment: "Our driver could not charge the car and go to the bank."

    What about late deliveries?
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    Initially the import of electric cars will be slow in South Africa.

    But many electric cars can charge to 80% capacity from 0% in 30 minutes. So I doubt one will be able to use those excuses.
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    How are government gonna tax these cars?
    They are milking the fuel price with taxes thats supposed to tar are roads, accident funds etc?
    With EV this would end?

    Somehow they would find a way to nail us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    Initially the import of electric cars will be slow in South Africa.

    But many electric cars can charge to 80% capacity from 0% in 30 minutes. So I doubt one will be able to use those excuses.
    And if there is loadshedding
    It is not what you buy its what you build.

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    In South Africa this is a small problem compared to some other countries where the car owners are taxed to death using environment as an excuse. First the car tax can be high. On more polluting cars it is more. They "have to" subsidize electric cars for environmental reasons. Electric car numbers are relatively low with few exceptions like Norway. Then there are very high fuel taxes but electrical charge points have to be subsidized. Then there are town center taxes but electric cars are not charged those. Now they are planning to punish car drivers more using car monitoring = pay per km (Finland is one looking increasing car taxes to sky high as there is green left wing ministers. Distances are long excluding those greens who live in towns - majority of them. They cannot live in rural areas as there are no airports and there are wolves and bears ).

    So the politicians have dug a hole for themselves. When people start buying electric cars in large numbers the tax revenue is dropping substantially. This is already discussed and politicians do not know what to do except promise more benefits to buy votes. Money taken from car owners is not used for roads. Small part is used for those electric car subsidies.

    Tax revenue loss on bigger Mercedes is easily EUR 30 000.00 PER CAR if an electric version is taken and just on purchase. Mercedes especially is in a corner. They have to go electric. Firstly VW related issues but more on petrol car side. Petrol car pollution tax is based on CO2 emissions given by the manufacturer. CO2 emissions are directly related to the fuel consumption. Mercedes is well know to give fuel economy values that are bigger nonsense than any other manufacturer. EU has now new rules to measure fuel consumption. Much more difficult to give wrong figures. Merc prices will go up if the laws are not changed.

    Germany is in trouble. Nuclear and coal stations "must" be closed down. How those Mercs are then charged?

    Interestingly I saw the first public charging station in SA. It was inside West Rand shopping center Cradlestone parking area. Local Jaguar dealer sponsored.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mapog View Post
    How are government gonna tax these cars?
    They are milking the fuel price with taxes thats supposed to tar are roads, accident funds etc?
    With EV this would end?

    Somehow they would find a way to nail us?
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    Re: rolling out charging stations is much simpler than rolling out petrol stations.

    currently all petrol stations are already electrified, so you just have install an appropriate socket so to speak at current petrol stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karol View Post
    Re: rolling out charging stations is much simpler than rolling out petrol stations.

    currently all petrol stations are already electrified, so you just have install an appropriate socket so to speak at current petrol stations.
    Have you checked the power requirements of the new charge stations? Can be few hundred kW. Current Tesla supercharge station is at least upto 150 kW (shared by 2 cars) and there are more powerful stations either coming or already in use. Public charging station needs more than 2 car places. "Fill up" while you have coffee or do weekly grocery shopping.

    Power feeds have to be upgraded in many places. Big discussions all over who will pay.
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    To charge an electric car, fuel has to be burned somewhere else, so you just export your pollution to the countryside.

    Renewable energy is still some way off in recharging every single car on the road.

    Politicians and electric cars is like the proverbial dog that caught the bus, but they will come up with an excuse to tax it eventually, with some sort of energy surcharge.

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    Taxing users for using a vehicle in city centers can only be implemented if there is a decent public transport to rival the use of personal vehicles.
    To discourage users from using a personal vehicle government has to supply us with a safe, reliable, full coverage network, in the area they want to tax.

    In europe, Japan, murica etc, no problem...
    here, Gautrain and myciti isnt going to fool anyone just yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    And if there is loadshedding

    You can use your vehicle as a battery bank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiksilver View Post
    You can use your vehicle as a battery bank.
    Indeed. The new Tesla Roadster has a 200kWh battery pack. That runs my whole house for two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiksilver View Post
    You can use your vehicle as a battery bank.
    This is the plan on smart electricity distribution network. Use electric cars for storage and load follower. If there are many cars it solves big part of the storage system.

    You cannot buy 2nd hand electric car batteries of many makes. After they are used in cars they are going into storage for public electricity network. They work there perfectly.
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    We saw an electric car in Orania, a BMW i3 if memory serves me well. Brit moved there and bought his electric car with, charges his car at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    One thing I did not expect. Mercedes has joined forces with Chinese Geely. 2022 all Smarts will be only electric.
    Geely is the biggest single share holder of Mercedes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto Betta View Post
    We saw an electric car in Orania, a BMW i3 if memory serves me well. Brit moved there and bought his electric car with, charges his car at home.
    A Brit in Orania?
    Scope story, as my old Afrikaans Onnie used to say....
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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    And if there is loadshedding
    a) You drive to one of your local shopping centres that has a recharge station.
    b) You drive to the dealer that has a charging station
    c) You charge your car at work
    e) I can go on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    a) You drive to one of your local shopping centres that has a recharge station.

    Load shedding. No power

    b) You drive to the dealer that has a charging station
    Load shedding. No power

    c) You charge your car at work
    Load shedding. No power

    e) I can go on.
    No power to go anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    No power to go anywhere.
    Then I feel sorry for you. You probably run out of petrol a lot too.....
    Last edited by Rebel 4x4; 2020/01/27 at 09:41 PM.
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    Start your generator

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    We have 3 vehicles and I would change our town vehicle which is Smart any time if they would bring electric version on reasonable price. Town car I can charge easily at home without excessive charge station cost.

    In Europe it will be more economical to buy electric car in few years time. In some countries depending on use maybe already.
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