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    Quote Originally Posted by Adriaan29 View Post
    Funny, I am sure the family I saw last week, 23 Dec iirc, on the N3, in the Iveco recovery truck with their 150 Prado on the back would agree with you. I felt sorry for them driving past in my 11 year old Jeep.


    I knew a lady in her mid 90s: she was a heavy smoker, and had been all her life. She was in rude health.

    Still I believe smoking is bad for you.


    As a kid we had a cat who loved greens such as green beans and courgette, even though he had access to plenty fish, meat, cat food etc.

    Still I believe cats are carnivores.


    It's to do with numbers, statistics probablity, size of sample, likelyhood and all those other unpleasant things...


    EDIT:

    I have just seen this thread, go to post #2, it's quite technical but also explanatory.

    https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum...le-reliability
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    Quote Originally Posted by biltong View Post

    No thanks. A Hilux amplified. My 21 years old D1 still sets the benchmark for a brand new Fortuner on everything but power - and a service plan of course.
    Well if this isnít totally delusional then I donít know what is.

    back to the OP, if I were in the fortunate position I would get a nice used cruiser 200 without even blinking an eye, and this is coming from a die hard patrol fan.

    in terms of a double cab, if youíre not carting around mountain bikes, or motorbikes, or building stuff, I really think theyíre a very impractical car. Iíd stick to a wagon setup personally.
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    OP, on second thought and now seeing your budget, Prado I also say. Have never been in one but it is a newer vehicle than the Pajero, which is mostly a twenty year old design and old old school, even when bought new. Spares and dealerships are also an issue with Mitsubishi, whereas Toyota has representation everywhere.

    Buy the Prado.
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    I for one lives by the following: a car is a piece of equipment that I use to get from point a to point b and back. If itís not doing that I change it and get one that can do that. On maintenance I know for sure that a car is a depreciating asset and thus it loses its value all the time irrespective of how much money is-spent on it for repairs and maintenance. On an annual basis on a paid up car my maintenance cut off point is when I find myself spending more money than what I would have spent paying an installment for a car of similar value. In that instance I am better off flogging the problem child and getting myself into a new and hustle free car. In terms of brands and the age old debate on which brand is better, my view is itís all personal choices and needs. Drive the car that you want and enjoy. After all you are using your money to buy it.
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    I wouldn't drive any Toyota if I regularly spend holidays in Maputaland or Zululand. The security risk is just too high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    Well if this isnít totally delusional then I donít know what is.
    Delusional? That are Toyota drivers thinking it actually has a form of ride quality.
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    Another option would be to find a SUV in your price range that otherwise meets your requirements and improve the ride quality by fitting an aftermarket suspension.
    There are various options out there. Make sure you pick the correct weight rating, otherwise the ride gets worse rather than better.
    I have only had good results doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    Why should pipes perish after 10 years?

    Why should auto boxes give up the

    I'll tell you what's more boring and uncomfortable than a Fortuner: the passenger's seat on Iveco recovery truck!
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    Why should pipes perish?? Because that is what happens to rubber when all kinds of chemicals react with it. That is a seriously silly thing to ask in my very humble opinion.

    Why should auto boxes give up Pay a visit to a very reputable auto box specialist in Pretoria and see the ocean of BeeEms and Audis with gearbox issues which will dwarf any Land Rover auto box issue you might think you know of in your infinite wisdom of Landy related matters.

    Don't generalize the Iveco trip. I travel many thousands of kilometers per year and my heart bleeds for every person whom I have to see on the roadside with a rollback in attendance. And the super reliable toyotas aren't spared these trips.
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    I am a serial car shopper, but from what I have seen mostly on this forum and including some others, I have said to my wife: If I ever tell her that I want to buy a Land Rover she must give me a serious PK that I can come to my senses. Sorry guys.
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    Besides Prado, why not consider the new Patrol. Much cheaper than LC 200 (GX or VX), and much more car for your Rand.

    In terms of comfort, you canít beat it and very capable. Very strong towing V8.

    But then I am biased...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henkus View Post
    Why should pipes perish?? Because that is what happens to rubber when all kinds of chemicals react with it. 1)That is a seriously silly thing to ask in my very humble opinion.

    Why should auto boxes give up Pay a visit to a very reputable auto box specialist in Pretoria and see 2) the ocean of BeeEms and Audis with gearbox issues which will dwarf any Land Rover auto box issue you might think you know of in your infinite wisdom of Landy related matters.

    3)Don't generalize the Iveco trip. I travel many thousands of kilometers per year and my heart bleeds for every person whom I have to see on the roadside with a rollback in attendance. And the super reliable toyotas aren't spared these trips.
    1)Yes that would be a silly questions.

    Only it wasn't my question. I asked 'why should pipes pesish after 10 years', when many people (like me) drive 20 yrs old, high mileage Jap crap and never had to replace a single perishing pipe.

    2) Sure, that's why my suggestion to the Op was to settle for a Jap SUV within budget, not an Audi or a BMW.

    3) For this, I will refer you to my above post, about the smoking nonagenarian and the vegan cat.

    Seriously, Landies are not for everyone, I am sure you will agree.

    They are for people like yoursel, who (If I may hazard a guess) are quite mechanically minded, are very precise about maintenance, quite handy with a spanner, know how to use an OBD etc. It's a passion thing, like Alfas...( I had one...).

    And that is great, and I celebrate that.

    However 95% of folks out there just want to get to their holiday destination with their kids and dog and mother in law: they want to maximise their chances of getting there without hassles or mishaps or crazy dashboard lights or looking for parts on a Sunday afternoon.

    For those types, I think there are better options out there than LR, that's all I am saying.


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    This post has gone brand bashing again.
    LRover Empangeni is well known for their exorbitant prices .
    The indy in Empangeni, I know, he knows nothing about D3 / D4's, sorry Ricky, he is a Defender and D1 D2 guru.

    The shock could have been ordered for R 3000.00 complete, couriered up to Kosi, and be fitted by any person, , you need a 15 and 24 spanner , a jack and an hour and all done.A friend had the same problem in Springbok, last year, he phoned me and said they are in big trouble and his holiday to Nam was no more.We phoned LP4A, they couriered a shock up to Springbok, took 48 hrs from Dbn, I spoke to the mechanic there and told him its an easy job, he did it in 40 min.They completed their journey to Nam

    Bellows or shocks have a life span of 10 yrs, all discos, older than 10 yrs needs to be replaced, I replaced both my front ones a yr back , and havnt done the back ones, they are 15 yrs old this year.

    If you drive a vehicle, know your vehicle and you will not be stranded, but to tell some folk they drive a crap vehicle, sorry guys if you cant give any constructive advise , stay out
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    1)Yes that would be a silly questions.

    Only it wasn't my question. I asked 'why should pipes pesish after 10 years', when many people (like me) drive 20 yrs old, high mileage Jap crap and never had to replace a single perishing pipe.
    And I guess then you are one of those drivers that if a pipe fails on you, think that is one of those things that just happens and is out of your control.

    From my experience, where I also owned a number of jap crap 4x4's all of them over 20 years old, rubbers eventually goes. Engine mounts, suspension bushes, radiator pipes.

    People just don't care about it.

    I simply don't take kind of risks.
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    You do not need to ruin yourself financially to be loyal to any brand.

    You said it all Grips, all things being equal, Prado is your best bet, Pajero LWB is good but old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mura View Post
    You do not need to ruin yourself financially to be loyal to any brand.

    You said it all Grips, all things being equal, Prado is your best bet, Pajero LWB is good but old.
    That is a common misconception. The engines and some of the running gear of both the Prado and the Pajero are 20 years old this year. The box the old parts come in has just been spruced up in the Prado's case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom13 View Post
    That is a common misconception. The engines and some of the running gear of both the Prado and the Pajero are 20 years old this year. The box the old parts come in has just been spruced up in the Prado's case.
    There is a huge difference in being manufactured for 20 years and 20 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    There is a huge difference in being manufactured for 20 years and 20 years old.
    Correct. If a major manufacturer still produce parts that was designed 20 years ago, for new vehicles then those parts have to be amazingly reliable. If it works why change it?

    some clever bloke tried to improve the wheelbarrow by changing the wheel to an inflateable. How many of them do you see on building sites? None, thats how many.

    If I could buy a brand new 300tdi Defender today I would. I dont want fancy tech and economy, I need something that works.

    To the OP, no double cab will meet your space and comfort requirements. If I had the budget, a 200 cruiser it will be. Although it must a PITA as a daily drive, trying to get into parkings designed for a Atos. Otherwise a prado seems like the logical choice, albeit its not a Disco....

    Thing is not to compare the new vehicle to the Disco, you wont get to make a decision that way.
    Rather see and take the new vehicle for what it is... even if it is a piece of plastic with loads of knobs and buttons and the comfort of a BMX, as long as it is reliable.

    It sucks having holidays ruined by mechanical failures. Besides the money, it is time you will never get back. Stories of adventures are much better than thise of rollbacks trying to get to your adventure. Look at my signature, I know what I am talking about.
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    I can only say that there are no cars that do not have breakdowns. Today happened to help Toyota Land cruiser. Small break down. Tomorrow it most probably will be an other make. The most reliable will be the one that has the least number of parts. All modern vehicles are too complex and have long list of features that are not needed at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranDurban View Post
    Would dearly love some opinions to help me choose a car.

    My 2010TDV6 Disco leaked its air suspension at Kosi Bay and yet again had to be flat bedded to a garage. Love love this car in town but it always breaks down or goes into 'restricted performance' on long journeys or rough terrain. It is worse now, but the truth is it had issues from the start. Also poor service in Durban, so reluctant to buy a newer one. I cant afford a Disco 5 anyway but trouble is when testing eg the Fortuner it's just way way not in any way as lovely as my Disco to drive.

    HWAMBO has suggested a new Land cruiser 76, but I fear that's going to kill me in town for lack of comfort. I could instead take the 200 but I see its on its way out for being overpriced for old styling etc etc. Still mine would be second hand, so better value.

    Or should I consider something else entirely? We are campers and do prefer nature reserves so we do need something capable and ok on sand, but not an extreme 4x4.

    Another option HWAMBO suggested is to trade his current Ford bakkie for a double cab Toyota Hilux he can still use for work, and to transport 4 people when going on holiday and I just keep my DISCO as a loved town car/ trade in due course.

    Weve had a hilux before so we know these are reliable. How comfortable and spacious will this seem in the back seats?
    It's a hijacking risk, but it won't be my town driving car.


    Hi Fran

    Sorry to hear about your misfortunes. Iíll share my views with you below.

    Options I would consider in your position:

    (Iíll keep it summarized as most have been mentioned here already)

    As a disclaimer, Iíve never owned a Discovery but have driven V8 and TDV6 on and off road - still my favorite drive - truly awesome.

    In your position though, I would get rid of that vehicle. Not easy to trust it on any future trip and that gets annoying.

    As mentioned here a few times, the Prado is probably one of the best replacement options. I have no personal experience though.

    Pajero is also a good option. Should be reliable, spacious, great off road and easy enough to live with daily. Iíve owned a Pajero the last 7 years or so. Still do. Itís no Discovery. Itís comfortable though - very comfortable but not nearly as plush and refined.


    Touareg. In your position, I would be very very tempted to go Touareg. No personal experience but I expect it to be superior to the Prado and Pajero, refinement / comfort wise. It is more risky though in terms of costly repairs.


    Porsche Cayenne?


    Someone suggested a Freelander 2. Before I bought my Pajero I ended with a shortlist of Pajero and Freelander. Did a lot of research at the time. Freelander is very underrated I think. The HSE might fit your needs.


    Final option: Kia Sorento. The only draw back I can think off is off road capability. Not sure which reserves you often visit. Might be a problem off road, might not. I have a friend who owns one. Had it for years. Still does. He comes from a line of merc and lexus but loves the Sorento. I think itís a serious option.


    Would love to know what you end up doing.

    Good luck!
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    Hi FranDurban,

    I hope you find a vehicle that gives you joy ...as i did.


    Here is my experience:
    I bought a '97 LWB Pajero in 2008....i'm the 4th owner...no service history on the vehicle....i paid R 49 000.00 .
    I paid the owner cash (i had to sell one of my other vehicles for R 30 000.00 to be able to have enough money).

    I did not intend to buy a Pajero as i did not have any 4x4 interests...and didn't even know what a Pajero looked like until the owner send me photos of it (i did some work at this client for some time and he knew i was shopping for a vehicle to drive dirt roads a few years ago, he wanted to know if i had bought a bakkie/suv/4x4 yet as i had told him about driving around dirt roads any chance i got ..he informed me he had a higher car that could drive dirt roads..was desperate for the money and i wanted a vehicle that had a bit higher ground clearance than my Opel Kadett that i had....i just love driving dirt roads and the Opel was too low.

    A few years before this i also looked at buying a bakkie that could take 4 people and could drive gravel roads....but i couldn't afford even anything second hand...so i aborted the idea.

    Well, I ended up buying the Pajero from him .(after a test drive,this was my first time driving something bigger,it felt like driving a bus).


    When i got home that night after purchasing it, i checked all fluid levels ....and to my shock! : ....there wasn't any oil on the dipstick...not a drop.
    I was really shocked..i didnt sleep well that night.
    The following morning i bought new oil,oil filter and air filter and drained what oil was left in the sump.
    I filled it with oil and changed filters and drove about 10 kilos with it..checked oil again...level was the same.

    It is now 12 years that i drive that Pajero...and i couldn't ask for a better vehicle for the price i paid.

    I bought it with 130 000 km on it...like i said 4 owners..no service history.
    It has now 270 000 km on it.

    I use this vehicle for everything. (It is my only vehicle).

    I service the following myself every 8 000 km:
    Shell Helix 25W60 MultiGrade Mineral Oil.
    GUD Air Filter
    GUD Oil Filter.

    This is what i replaced since the day i bought the vehicle:

    The day i bought it:
    (I replaced the existing shocks, as this is something i do when i buy a second hand car)
    2x Front Shocks - Gabriel KUBU Gas Shocks
    2x Rear Shocks - Gabriel KUBU Gas Shocks
    Installed it myself without even have to lift the vehicle....these shocks are still 100% at 270 000 km today.

    195 000 km Preventative Service: R6200 included labour.
    Timing Belt and Tensioner
    6x NGK Platinum Plugs
    Water Pump
    Shell Helix 25W60 MultiGrade Mineral Oil.
    GUD Air Filter
    GUD Oil Filter.
    Petrol Filter
    Diff oils
    Gearbox and transfer Oils

    The 4x BFG AT 15x31x10.5 Tires i had put on in 2010 gave me 96 000 km without a single puncture, no balancing and no rotation after initial fitment...very very good service from those tires.

    The Pajero has never given me any problems....still has its original starter, alternator,clutch and engine...same as everything else that is still original...had to replace the windscreen to get it through roadworthy when i bought it.

    The A/C is still working as i use it daily...freezes your arms off, 10 seconds after you start the engine...still original factory fitted...never been opened for anything..same as the engine.
    Even the Radio and speakers is working 100% after all those dirt roads .

    I drive 120 km each week in total (Wednesday,Saturday,Sunday) to take water to an empty plot where i water trees that i planted.
    I transport
    2x 210 Liter drums of water inside the vehicle.
    1x 210 Liter drum of water inside trailer.
    1x 210 liter drum of water on top of trailer.
    This i take to the plot 3x times a week...along with other tools etc. inside the vehicle.

    In 2014 i had to replace the Raylite battery (lasted 12 months) with a Dixon Battery.
    The Dixon Battery is now going for 6 years...just topping up with battery water...best Battery Ever!

    We visit the Mosselbay area every December, every year since 2008....every December we do the 6000 km trip..mostly gravel roads..no toll roads..and a lot of dirt roads in Mosselbay area with this Pajero.

    This is what this vehicle costs me:
    Installment per month: R 0.00 (paid R 49 000.00 cash in 2008)
    Insurance per month: R 270.00
    Service every 8 000 km : GUD AirFilter R 190.00 + GUD Oil Filter R70.00 + Shell Helix 25W60 Oil R280.00
    Petrol at 7km-8km / Liter.
    Annual Vehicle License Renewal Cost R930.00.

    This vehicle is a tool and works really hard.
    I will buy another one like it if i had too...without hesitation.

    Here is some pics also... i hope you find what works for you.
    I cannot vouch for any other SUV/Bakkie as i only owned 3 vehicles in my life (1300 '88 Kadett, 2.0 IS '99 Kadett , '97 Pajero LWB 3.5 DOHC V6.
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