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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieterk View Post
    Which law/ or regulation?
    Apparently 55W. Sorry, can't help you which law or regulation it is, but probably from the same section regulating how many lights one can have and about their spacing. Google might know?


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    The law states 60w for bright and 55w for dim (known as 60/55), however some sources give it as 55/50 (55w bright and 50w dim). https://www.autosupply.co.za/product...SABEgJL0PD_BwE

    For HID headlamps it is a max of 35w.

    It is actually an EU regulation that was adopted for SA, and seems to be in force in most countries. Most of our vehicle lighting regulations are adopted verbatim from the EU - why reinvent the wheel??

    There is no way to enforce this on the road, so they restrict the importation of headlamp globes to the maximum wattage that is legally allowed, with one exception! - For (4x4 and rallying) Off-roading, the Dept of Transport do allow 4x4 shops and racing/rallying vehicle suppliers to import and stock Halogen incandescent lights that are higher wattage than the 60/55w allowed, normally 100w up to 140w Halogen globes. On the box in which these come, it states in bold letters: "For offroad use only".
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    I have spent the last 2 hours searching for the applicable specifications.
    The NRTA 168(1)(c) refers to SABS 1046, SABS 1376 part 2 for Light specifications.
    The NRTA does not state 60w for bright and 55w for dim!

    Government gazette 563 of 29 July 1983
    Government gazette 1263 of 14 June 1985
    Government gazette 2328 of 18 Oct 1985

    SABS 1376. part 2- No wattage indications
    SABS 1046. I can not find online unless purchased.

    Government gazettes not available online.

    Unless we get hold of these documents, anything and everything we say about wattage is pure speculation and hearsay.
    I have done the above research, with no success in proving that 140w globes are against the law.
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    @ nearly R600 it can stay on their shelve.
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    140watt globe is just as illegal as a lightbar. Just saying

    It comes down to whether you are selfish or not. And that goes for the oficer as well who ignores the skorro skorro taxis crabbing along and targets the law abiding citizen with a lightbar. The root of all this is selfishness/considerateness. Are you, or aren't you!

    I really don't mind what lights you use, just use them considerately!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieterk View Post
    I have spent the last 2 hours searching for the applicable specifications.
    The NRTA 168(1)(c) refers to SABS 1046, SABS 1376 part 2 for Light specifications.
    The NRTA does not state 60w for bright and 55w for dim!

    Government gazette 563 of 29 July 1983
    Government gazette 1263 of 14 June 1985
    Government gazette 2328 of 18 Oct 1985

    SABS 1376. part 2- No wattage indications
    SABS 1046. I can not find online unless purchased.

    Government gazettes not available online.

    Unless we get hold of these documents, anything and everything we say about wattage is pure speculation and hearsay.
    I have done the above research, with no success in proving that 140w globes are against the law.
    Just goes to show how hard it is to actually find legal light specs. Your average guy is going to assume if it's sold in a store it's legal.

    Also those gazzette articles are flipping old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walnut View Post
    Just goes to show how hard it is to actually find legal light specs. Your average guy is going to assume if it's sold in a store it's legal.

    Also those gazzette articles are flipping old.
    They have not been available in the branded shops for many years, apart from those marked for off-road only.

    I used to use 100W globes. They did not last too long. When my spares were finished I could not find them again, and when I queried it, was told from the shops that they are not allowed to sell them as they were illegal. You will probably find them in the backstreet shops and Chinamall maybe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Walnut View Post
    Just goes to show how hard it is to actually find legal light specs. Your average guy is going to assume if it's sold in a store it's legal.

    Also those gazette articles are flipping old.
    The SABS specs refer to the gazette specifications.
    Also SABS? does it still exist? It is now called SANS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    140watt globe is just as illegal as a lightbar. Just saying

    It comes down to whether you are selfish or not. And that goes for the oficer as well who ignores the skorro skorro taxis crabbing along and targets the law abiding citizen with a lightbar. The root of all this is selfishness/considerateness. Are you, or aren't you!

    I really don't mind what lights you use, just use them considerately!
    Your statement that 140w globes are illegal is unsubstantiated and pure hearsay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    @ nearly R600 it can stay on their shelve.
    If it is part of the law and regulations. It should be freely available to the public.
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    Have to agree with the selfishness of drivers stated above . I was stopped in a roadblock outside Piet Retief on my way to Ponta in December . Have a bar on my jeep . used mainly for offraod , and when in ruaral areas at night . Officer fined me for a illegal lamp fitted (R750.00) Told him that I use it mainly for offroad , his response was that I was on the road , did not use it when I was stopped , but the light is fitted and therefor illegal. I have time to pay the fine , but not sure if I will , far to come and find me from Piet Retief and the address was recorded wrong , as he was not that keen to write out the ticket , I am sure he hoped that I was going to request a diffent option.
    I watched him as I approached the stop, saw my Jeep with trailer loaded with quads , was a milk cow waiting to be milked, After I recieved the fine he just sat there , cars passing all the time . but I was in the wrong and aware , so need to pay up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieterk View Post
    If it is part of the law and regulations. It should be freely available to the public.
    Hi Pieter

    I have a pdf copy of "93 of 1996 NATIONAL ROAD TRAFFIC ACT_Regs GNR 225_19 Nov 2013 - to date" but battling to attach it. 363 pages.

    Try google it and see from section 158 or pm me and I will try email it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ejay View Post
    Hi Pieter

    I have a pdf copy of "93 of 1996 NATIONAL ROAD TRAFFIC ACT_Regs GNR 225_19 Nov 2013 - to date"
    https://www.snowchains.co.za/sites/default/files/downloads/93%20of%201996%20NATIONAL%20ROAD%20TRAFFIC%20ACT_R egs%20GNR%20225_19%20Nov%202013%20-%20to%20date.pdf

    but battling to attach it. 363 pages.

    Try google it and see from section 158 or pm me and I will try email it to you.
    The NRTA does not state the actual wattage value for bulbs but refers you to SABS 1046, which has to be bought
    The main-beam and dipped-beam of a head lamp fitted to a motor vehicle first registered on or after 1
    January 2002, shall comply with the requirements of standard specification SABS 1046 “Motor vehicle
    safety specification for lights and light signalling devices installed on motor vehicles and trailers”, and
    standard specification SABS 1376 “Lights for motor vehicles”, Part 2: “Head lights”.
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    Had a very quick browse through SABS 1046… I didn’t see anything relating to allowable wattage of bulbs.
    There is something that says max intensity…must not exceed 225000cd. No idea what that means though, but presumably there’s a way of relating that to wattage of your bulb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pieterk View Post
    Your statement that 140w globes are illegal is unsubstantiated and pure hearsay!
    I may be wrong. I can't get my hands on the SANS 1376-2:2006 document to verify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    I may be wrong. I can't get my hands on the SANS 1376-2:2006 document to verify.
    Not sure if this is of any relevance...apologies if not.

    https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/236047-Illegal-Headlight-replacement-Why-do-you-buy-them

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    The NRTA is freely available. That is not the problem.
    The problem is, the reference to the different government gazettes, in which the specifications supposedly given. Everything refers back to the gazettes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    I may be wrong. I can't get my hands on the SANS 1376-2:2006 document to verify.
    See attached extract from SANS 1376-2:2017
    75W main beam, 68W dipped beam
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrusselSprout View Post
    See attached extract from SANS 1376-2:2017
    75W main beam, 68W dipped beam
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    Ok. That is specifically for a sealed headlight. Spots are very seldom sealed and are additional lights to the normal lights.
    Thanx. Lets dig some more!
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    SABS 047 Roadworthiness

    5.59.2 Headlamps

    Reject if

    e) headlamp beams are not of similar intensity
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