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    Default Re: The horror of owning a Land Rover again.

    Consider buying battery from BMW. Bought my previous 320d new in 2000. First battery lasted 11 years, 2nd one 7 years. Car recently sold. Put same battery in my ex-jeep. Sold with battery still working after 7 years. Had 3 cheaper batteries in jeep that only lasted 2/3 years. Pay 15/20% more and have a really good battery. Can't remember if 80 or 85 amp hours but it swung that 21:1 compression jeep like a 1600 petrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garymt View Post
    So how can you say Land Rover cars give you issues if you puncture your tyre with a nail, a oil seal needs replacing in a second hand car, brake pads need replacing in a second hand car. Your battery packs up in a second hand car. These are all parts that need to be changed in any car and listing a puncture is just ridiculous.
    None of these issues are linked to the land rover product. This negative type of post belongs in the bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garymt View Post
    So how can you say Land Rover cars give you issues if you puncture your tyre with a nail, a oil seal needs replacing in a second hand car, brake pads need replacing in a second hand car. Your battery packs up in a second hand car. These are all parts that need to be changed in any car and listing a puncture is just ridiculous.
    None of these issues are linked to the land rover product. This negative type of post belongs in the bin.
    Dude...

    Have you read any other post before you leapt in and stuffed both left feet, clad in hobnailed boots into your mouth...

    This is a humorous thread posted by a guy who loves his Landies, and is poking fun at the so-called "reliability" problems people have...

    Lighten up and don't go off half cocked at the first post you read...
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    So the rear main seal on my FL2 is also leaking. Place quoted me R9k to replace. The leak seems to be very slow, only about every 10th filling of the tank it needs a pint? Ok to just leave it if it doesn't get worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kari View Post
    So the rear main seal on my FL2 is also leaking. Place quoted me R9k to replace. The leak seems to be very slow, only about every 10th filling of the tank it needs a pint? Ok to just leave it if it doesn't get worse?
    I wouldn't worry about it, just think of it as marking its territory. My Defenders transfer case is being stubborn in that no matter what I do to try stop it, it still drips, just a bit.

    So like I say, Landies don't actually leak oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    On a serious note, I am a bit in 2 minds as to which battery to get. Currently it has a 668 in it, but I believe it can take either 652 or 668, with 652 being 72Amp, and 668 being 80 amp. I suppose I will go for a 668.

    Now down to price and make.

    Quotes so far :

    1) Exide : 1860
    2) Vatra : 2200
    3) Willard : 1609 (this is surprising, as some no name brands seem more expensive)
    4) Sabat : 1593 (again, suprising)
    5) Atlasbx : 1667.

    Still shopping around, and I know best option would possibly be a Vatra, but would it really be necessary? Whats wrong with a good old Willard?
    I have the same vehicle, but maybe I complain a little bit less .
    • Not sure if I need to report my car to LR as a factory fault because there are no oil leaks?
    • Also lost a tire due to a side-wall earlier this year, but at least it happened off-road and it was the first time, so that made it more bearable. Got a very good price from Errol's
    • Also had an battery die on me earlier this year (mine was Exide 652 ) while I sat in the car working with a computer on my lap. On the bright side, the list of fatal errors the car can rattle off with its dying breath as the battery goes flat is quite impressive - I nearly had a heart attack! Had to call in the cavalry to come save me. Got a 668 Willard from a Willard shop, so far very happy with the Willard. VARTA looked a better on paper but was quite a bit more money. Stick with the 668.
    • Brakes could have been a be a bit cheaper - to my shock and surprise I discovered that brakes from the LR dealer last longer than brakes from a certain R/burg based independent LR shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenvAZA View Post
    [*]Not sure if I need to report my car to LR as a factory fault because there are no oil leaks?
    You should. Some of the new Defenders are rolling off the production line without oil leaks. They are being sent back to have one installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naes-landy View Post
    you should. Some of the new defenders are rolling off the production line without oil leaks. They are being sent back to have one installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garymt View Post
    So how can you say Land Rover cars give you issues if you puncture your tyre with a nail, a oil seal needs replacing in a second hand car, brake pads need replacing in a second hand car. Your battery packs up in a second hand car. These are all parts that need to be changed in any car and listing a puncture is just ridiculous.
    None of these issues are linked to the land rover product. This negative type of post belongs in the bin.
    Ok, the title, and the thread in general is tongue in cheek,

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    Quote Originally Posted by garymt View Post
    So how can you say Land Rover cars give you issues if you puncture your tyre with a nail, a oil seal needs replacing in a second hand car, brake pads need replacing in a second hand car. Your battery packs up in a second hand car. These are all parts that need to be changed in any car and listing a puncture is just ridiculous.
    None of these issues are linked to the land rover product. This negative type of post belongs in the bin.
    You must be one of those guys that only listens to what he wants to hear, and not the full story. Please do us all a favor and read the whole thread. I'm sure you will understand why its such a horrible car .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naes-Landy View Post
    I wouldn't worry about it, just think of it as marking its territory. My Defenders transfer case is being stubborn in that no matter what I do to try stop it, it still drips, just a bit.

    So like I say, Landies don't actually leak oil.
    I use the oil leak as an excuse to not being able to visit family and having to do a sleep over. They are all pia about oil on their driveways No leak = long overdue for oil service

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    Quote Originally Posted by kari View Post
    So the rear main seal on my FL2 is also leaking. Place quoted me R9k to replace. The leak seems to be very slow, only about every 10th filling of the tank it needs a pint? Ok to just leave it if it doesn't get worse?
    I am no expert, but I was worried about mine. It might be fine for now, but there is a chance that the whole thing can basically go whilst you are driving, causing sudden oil loss, and potentially engine failure.

    The sad thing is that the seal itself is rather cheap, it's the labor involved that you pay for. It's a gearbox out job as far as I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke1098 View Post
    I use the oil leak as an excuse to not being able to visit family and having to do a sleep over. They are all pia about oil on their driveways No leak = long overdue for oil service
    You donít say? I also use the oil leak as an excuse to not visit family. Maybe I should tell Walter & Org not to bother with the stubborn transfer leak
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    Obviously lots of Land Rovers here where I live...our local Spar has their markings in every parking bay..! Come to think about it... so has every parking bay in SA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kari View Post
    So the rear main seal on my FL2 is also leaking. Place quoted me R9k to replace. The leak seems to be very slow, only about every 10th filling of the tank it needs a pint? Ok to just leave it if it doesn't get worse?
    Yep, also got a quote for that and it was R9.5k at LRX
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    Past experience with LR involved a LWB
    pre DEFENDER label, bought from a rouge
    mechanic who concealed a multitude of sins
    and sold it without disclosing the fact it was
    a rebuild. Multitude of problems which were
    ultimately visited back upon him. That was
    in the seventies.


    Past experience of a Freelander TD4 manual.
    bought about 2005 with 40000 km on clock
    under service plan and warranty.

    Shortly afterwards: Brake discs. (service plan).
    Clutch. Broke down on motorway while under
    cruise control. Was used mainly on relatively
    uncongested roads by SWAMBO.
    Initially they tried to dodge service plan repair
    under claim of abuse. Strangely enough, same
    driver have don more than 160000km driving
    daily for years in peak traffic to an from work
    on an underpowered early model Toyota Hilux
    4x4 1.8 l two door. That vehicle was ultimately
    disposed off after doing more than half a million
    km, when I ultimately saw the light, albeit,
    through the floorboards on the passenger side.
    Notwithstanding, I got a good price for it, and the
    buyer promptly cut out the rusted part and welded
    another plate in to replace it. It was otherwise
    in very good mechanical condition.

    Sun roof failed and repaired / replaced about
    four times until out of service plan and warranty
    when it had to have the motor disconnected and
    and sunroof locked in closed position.

    Turbocharger problems.

    Door lock and windows actuators.

    When out of service plan and warranty was
    serviced by an ex LR expert who performed
    some miracles, including welding a cracked
    transfer case at about 200000 km.

    Replacement by then would have cost more
    than the resale value fixed for parts alone.

    Sadly could not use the same mechanic again
    because he became unreachable or traceable,
    apparently made a duck to dodge creditors.

    Ultimately I offloaded the same, simultaneously
    with similar age and kilometrage Toyota Corolla.
    The Toyota fetched close to three times as
    much in trade in as the LR.

    The FL, in my experience, is an AWD which is
    in anyway a serious 4x4. Got me stuck, years
    ago in the Kgalagadi in conditions through which
    most true 4x4 would have breezed through.

    That LR has caused me a speech impediment.

    When referring to it, all I could pronounce was

    RandLover Flealander.

    Problem now is that vehicles are becoming more
    and more gimmicky and parts and labour are
    exorbitant. This goes across manufacturers and
    models.

    SWAMBO is now the proud and happy owner of
    a Toyota Etios.

    Until we moved a year ago from a three level
    thatch home to a ground floor complex apartment
    she was keeping up her 4x4 driving and towing
    skills by taking a gardener and a trailer to and
    from the municipal dump.

    My current "poor man's Toyota" is 2012 KK Series
    Jeep Cherokee "Sport" 3.7l a/t. (I paid for it
    in 2013 with 14000 km on the clock much less
    than I would have paid for a four years older
    Toyota 4x4 Hilux DC or 4x4 Fortuner Diesel, with,
    say, 140000 on the clock). That Jeep is an over thirsty
    creature which recently cooked an a/t at only
    56500km. Suspected reason was a leakage of
    radiator water into a/t cooler which is apparently
    piped transversing the radiator.

    Unpleasant and expensive exercise, though the
    expert independent re builders probably charged
    me for the complete rebuild a similar amount to
    what CJ would have charged me just for removing
    and reinstalling the transmission without rebuilding it.

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    2008 LR2 TD4 2.2 SE with 134000km on the odo.

    Removed the catalyst.

    click .. click intermitent start issue was resolved with a service of the starter, there is a service kit available from Landrover but
    an automotive electrician should have components. Make sure starter is sealed against moisture penetration.
    The intercooler manifold inlet clamp is torqued to 7-8Nm, oil can find it's way onto the starter. Check for split hose, replace or tighten the clamp.
    Check for parasitic drain on the battery.
    Non-start issue can also be caused by the CMP and CKP sensors. The CKP is a screwdriver job, part LR000681.

    The egr cooler failed, this caused immediate deterioration in engine performance with bellowing white smoke - workshop will tell
    you it's a head gasket failure or worse! Drill a small hole in exhaust pipe to drain fluid then plug with a screw/bolt. The design of the egr cooler has changed to substitute the large chamber with ports. I replaced the egr cooler but have a coolant bypass. It is therefore conceivable to leave the damaged egr cooler in place with a coolant bypass.

    Signs of oil on the intercooler grill on the pasenger side, removed the intercooler. While flushing the intercooler the leak was visible. I shopped around for intercoolers and found the distributor who supplies LR, got the unit discounted by half LR retail price. PS. they also sell reconditioned intercoolers.

    Replaced, disks, pads, flushed power steering fluid with Ravenol, did a brake bleed with Ford Dot4 (LR spec but cheaper by one-third for a liter), replaced tail gate switch.

    Found the impact (motion) sensor lhs under the bonnet had its wire cut which caused an intermittent alarm, an interesting side effect with the tailgate switch when connected. Replacing the tailgate switch solved this problem.

    The dash is known to crack and the headliner lining is pealing off.

    I have bought service parts for the haldex gen 3 unit. I will need a lift to disassemble and apply 150Nm torque to the flange nut.

    The engine is based on the Ford 2.2 duratorq which is also found in the Jaguar 2.2 diesel, one of the reasons I opted for the
    LR2 2.2.

    To date most of the work has been diy, including diagnosis.

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    Possibly the very best LR in a long string. Our Freelander 2 goes and goes , economical, go anywhere on off road, and practically no real issues. Standard services each year , about 200,000km and 12 years old. It seems sad they had to replace it with the yuppy Discovery sport and Epoque. Don't LR know someone us just want a simple tough vehicle and haven't got R1m to spend

    The only problem is current driver ! Dark blue, slightly bashed rear end and CA no, covered in Put Foot stickers, if you see it steer clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post
    I think I need to highlight the part where I said it's tongue in cheek.

    And to top it off, its not even a real land Rover, it doesn't leak any oil
    I Have a freelander 2012 2.2 diesel... all the service managers tell me that its a great engine ..one of the best... however My EGR valve is leaking coolant and they want R19000 to replace it. I have been advised to blank it off.. Any comments would be gratefully accepted.. thanks. Apart from the EGR the car has been brilliant especially with fuel.. did5000 kms through Bots towing a small trailer with 4 adults and my consumption was 8lts /100 kms. The only other problem was the power steering had to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardalpha View Post

    I tell you, how in earths name can they call this vehicle reliable .
    sadly it is typical of Land Rovers (especially the soft road variety) that are horribly neglected by their owners. it really not the car's fault. the Freelander 2 is actually a brilliant vehicle. sadly many of the components are same as many other vehicles. really - you cannot blame a Ford engine, ZF gearbox, Bosch ignition system, or many other top quality products found on this vehicle. had a customer bitching about his battery that died on his land rover after 7 years trying to blame land rover for that! bloody hell!

    Land Rovers never die, they simply become organ donors!

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