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    Quote Originally Posted by willben View Post
    You beat me too it, did a bit of an investigation myself. In the last 2 attachments it looks like the barrier did initially deflect Grosjeans car however it looks like the nose of car did manage to pierce through just far enough to hit one of the poles that support the barrier. It seems that once the nose hit the pole the chassis couldn't take it and split in half, forcing the nose through the barrier while the rear spun off in a different trajectory. I wonder now if that pole hadn't been there what the accident scene would look like.
    Your 4th photograph is significant.
    Although the path of the vehicle was at approx 30 deg to the barrier, the car itself was at right angles to the barrier as it hit the barrier.
    As the nose hit the barrier, the rear rotated in such a way that it went to the left of the front wheels. That is why the rear section ended up facing the way it did.

    Deflection along the barrier was thus virtually impossible.

    Had the car skidded the other way (rear wheels to the right of the front wheels) the dinamics of the impact would probably have been totally different.
    In that instance the car would most probably have been deflected along the barrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post

    I did notice on Sunday post race, the Covid protocols were quite lax. Ham was walking about, hugging people before he went back to station where they have the caps/watches and stuff they need for sponsors (and now Covid masks)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie-WP View Post
    I did notice on Sunday post race, the Covid protocols were quite lax. Ham was walking about, hugging people before he went back to station where they have the caps/watches and stuff they need for sponsors (and now Covid masks)
    Well spotted.

    My wife picked up the same thing and mentioned this to me this afternoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    Over 50G is dangerous territory.

    The fact that Grosjean stayed conscious was a feat on it's own.

    Had the barrier not deformed, the G may have been higher and he might have had brain injuries.

    The barriers were built to spec - what was deemed safe.

    This incident will be heavily scrutineered and safety measures will be adapted - even for this upcoming race, I'm sure.
    Had the barrier not deformed, the car would not have pierced it and come to a sudden dead stop. It would have bounced off and come to rest further down the track with much lower G forces at impact with the barrier when bouncing off than coming to a dead stop in (through) the barrier.
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    from: https://www.racefans.net/2020/12/01/...ireball-crash/


    "... An experienced race car engineer spoken to by RaceFans suggested the mere fact that the rear end containing the power unit and fuel cell (estimated at weighing over 350kg in total) did not follow the front half through the barriers had helped save Grosjean, for it reduced the overall impact by almost 50%.


    Equally, the same source added, the fracture had left the fuel cell exposed. Horrific though the fire was, the consequences of nearly 110kg of fuel flowing about the crash area while the front end blazed away are too ghastly to contemplate.

    As Ross Brawn indicated in the immediate aftermath, it appears leaked fuel from collector tank, situated beneath the cockpit, caused the blaze, likely ignited by severed high voltage cabling and friction sparks. The tank and plumbing contain around 10 litres. Imagine the ferocity of a blaze potentially 10 times that intensity. ..."
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    So the driver of the day went to Grojean!

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...IreCgeh5c.html


    Really?

    Qualified second last again, did 2 corners and veered across the track crashing into someone he had forgotten was there, and nearly killed himself in the process.

    And that boys and girls, shows us why democracy is a flawed sytem. (Well that, together with that time when people voted for the name of the UK's flagship scientific research vessel, to be "Boaty Mcboatface" - which is a true story BTW...)

    Look, I'm not insinuating communism or dictatorships are the way to go, but let's rather let people who know a thing or two, do the decision making.... (Brexit another classic example)

    Like the end of the year Autosports Team Principals driver of the year award. Now that carries some weight! Clever people, intimately involved, done anonymously, able to take the superior machinery factor out of the equation.
    Hell, that means more in my books, than the drivers championship standings....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    This will be really good. Bottas might be crapping his pants. I wished that Hamilton could have driven with Russel.

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    This was my replacement for Kubica, but businessman Latifi got the job.

    Happy to see Aitken in F1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    Absolutely fantastic. Go get them George, waiting sometime now to see what he can do. This is exciting news. Really exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    This will be really good. Bottas might be crapping his pants. I wished that Hamilton could have driven with Russel.

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...7RZzdzmxs.html

    What a fantastic opportunity for Georgie-boy!!!

    This will show the world what he is capable of and most likely cement his potential seat at Merc in the future (when Bottas could be released)
    He stands a chance to score his first points in F1.
    He will be able to battle with Max and the big boys in-front of the race

    This is possibly the most exciting race I am looking for, just to see how George handles the pressures and the fans' expectations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques_Nel View Post
    What a fantastic opportunity for Georgie-boy!!!

    This will show the world what he is capable of and most likely cement his potential seat at Merc in the future (when Bottas could be released)
    He stands a chance to score his first points in F1.
    He will be able to battle with Max and the big boys in-front of the race

    This is possibly the most exciting race I am looking for, just to see how George handles the pressures and the fans' expectations
    Agree 100%.

    Wonder what the cancel culture will say now. Will they possibly secretly watching the race and indulge with excitement while keeping a straight face on the forum.

    Brilliant!
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    I hope for Russell's sake he don't have to lead behind a safety car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    Agree 100%.

    Wonder what the cancel culture will say now. Will they possibly secretly watching the race and indulge with excitement while keeping a straight face on the forum.

    Brilliant!
    hahahaha, true, but then again, will they eventually publicly admit to having watched and enjoyed the race?
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    Great news about Russel but it must also be a bitter sweet moment. Everyone has been saying all along what a good car the MB is, so he will be under a lot of pressure to perform. I just hope he is up to it. Very very big oppertunity for him. If he beats Bottas it will be really something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Great news about Russel but it must also be a bitter sweet moment. Everyone has been saying all along what a good car the MB is, so he will be under a lot of pressure to perform. I just hope he is up to it. Very very big oppertunity for him. If he beats Bottas it will be really something.
    Agreed. Imagine the pressure Bottas will feel........somehow this season kept on producing and entertaining. Lot of this season to take into the future (eapecially some tracks - the old ones...). If the young Mr Russel gets his ducks in a row this weekend, he will light up the media (and this thread). My toes are curling with anticipation.
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    About the crash and F1 safety. I seem to recall that there is onboard fire extinguisher, that should deploy in a crash or something similar. I am most likely wrong and read about it somewhere else.
    Does anyone know about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady View Post
    So the driver of the day went to Grojean!

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...IreCgeh5c.html


    Really?

    Qualified second last again, did 2 corners and veered across the track crashing into someone he had forgotten was there, and nearly killed himself in the process.

    And that boys and girls, shows us why democracy is a flawed sytem. (Well that, together with that time when people voted for the name of the UK's flagship scientific research vessel, to be "Boaty Mcboatface" - which is a true story BTW...)

    Look, I'm not insinuating communism or dictatorships are the way to go, but let's rather let people who know a thing or two, do the decision making.... (Brexit another classic example)

    Like the end of the year Autosports Team Principals driver of the year award. Now that carries some weight! Clever people, intimately involved, done anonymously, able to take the superior machinery factor out of the equation.
    Hell, that means more in my books, than the drivers championship standings....
    It's driver of the day, not drive of the day
    For what he went through, I reckon he was driver of the day......100%
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