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    Those that have ears, let them hear:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQ6eZDXXRE


    If you donít feel like listening to the whole thing, scroll to around 11:50, no one in the science world has refuted his assessment.

    So the whole climate debate us wonky and we should be aware how much rides on this.

    Here in our land the Minister of Minerals and Energy is pushing nuclear with the climate debate as motivation.

    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    My view, as someone with no knowledge of climate and related research is as follows:

    Who benefits if we believe that global warming is man made and we take steps to reduce the use of fossil fuels?
    What happens to all that Carbon Tax that is collected with new vehicle sales, airline tickets etc etc?
    The recipients of that are one MAJOR beneficiary, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanMaree View Post
    "For more than 60 years, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has known that the changes occurring to planetary weather patterns
    are completely natural and normal
    . But the space agency, for whatever reason, has chosen to let the man-made global warming hoax persist and spread, to the detriment of human freedom."

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30-nasa-admits-climate-change-not-caused-by-suvs-fossil-fuels.html

    This article got me thinking and I cannot decide whether to believe it or not.

    What is your take on this?


    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...nge-admission/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    What happens to all that Carbon Tax that is collected with new vehicle sales, airline tickets etc etc?
    The recipients of that are one MAJOR beneficiary, IMO.


    Doesn't that money go into the state revenue like other taxation?

    It's a good point but I'm thinking there are maybe easier ways to hoover up taxpayers money than to make up a global scare of that scale...

    Whether they use the money for what they say they do ( carbon offsetting, planting trees etc) , that much I don't know, probably depends on the nation.

    Zim? Probably not ...

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    The possibility of an axis shift of the earths rotation is more troublesome to me at this juncture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    The possibility of an axis shift of the earths rotation is more troublesome to me at this juncture.
    yep, a core shift will cause major issues immediately
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    The possibility of an axis shift of the earths rotation is more troublesome to me at this juncture.
    It is happening all the time.
    From here:
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...nge-admission/

    What are Milankovitch cycles?

    As accurately copied and pasted from NASAís website, Milankovich cycles do indeed describe three periodic variations in the way the Earth rotates around the sun. Eccentricity describes the shape (how circular or oblong the path is) of Earthís orbit around the sun. That shape varies over long periods of time between nearly a perfect circle and slightly oval-shaped orbit. The eccentricity cycle, from circular to oval and back to circular, lasts (in simplified terms) roughly 100,000 years.
    Another cycle, precession, describes how the orientation of Earthís axis varies over time such that the North Pole is not always pointed at the North Star as it is today. Instead, it cycles like a slightly off-center toy top, returning to its original position every 26,000 years. The final cycle, axial tilt or obliquity, describes the angle at which Earthís axis is tilted. This angle, which is responsible for our seasons, is not fixed and ranges between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees over a cycle that lasts 41,000 years.
    Knowledge of these cycles, each of which affects aspects of the climate system in different ways, is immensely helpful to scientists ó especially climate scientists. Combining the relative input of each of these cycles, scientists can mathematically determine how much solar energy any given part of the Earthís surface would have received at any time going back (or forward) in time. In geologic records of past climate, the rhythm of this cycle can be seen in intricate detail such that it can be used to figure out how much time a given rock or core sample represents. This holds up even if that rock was deposited alongside dinosaurs millions of years in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapiture View Post
    Those that have ears, let them hear:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQ6eZDXXRE


    If you donít feel like listening to the whole thing, scroll to around 11:50, no one in the science world has refuted his assessment.

    So the whole climate debate us wonky and we should be aware how much rides on this.

    Here in our land the Minister of Minerals and Energy is pushing nuclear with the climate debate as motivation.

    Go figure.
    This is one mans take on it. Where is his 'proof' that CO2 emissions are actually good for us?
    Please go one post back and look at all the links with certifiable info about global warming.
    BTW. this is the same guy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapiture View Post
    Those that have ears, let them hear:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQ6eZDXXRE


    If you donít feel like listening to the whole thing, scroll to around 11:50, no one in the science world has refuted his assessment.

    So the whole climate debate us wonky and we should be aware how much rides on this.

    Here in our land the Minister of Minerals and Energy is pushing nuclear with the climate debate as motivation.

    Go figure.
    Thankfully all of this conspiracy theory stuff is becoming more and more marginalised by the day. Please don't believe this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapiture View Post
    Those that have ears, let them hear:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQ6eZDXXRE

    If you don’t feel like listening to the whole thing, scroll to around 11:50, no one in the science world has refuted his assessment.

    So the whole climate debate us wonky and we should be aware how much rides on this.

    Here in our land the Minister of Minerals and Energy is pushing nuclear with the climate debate as motivation.

    Go figure.
    Okay, so let's think three times before we post any youtube videos as well.

    Lets stick to peer reviewed science.

    Yes, the global vegetation system seems to be "greening" according to Zu, et al. (2016). But the author clearly states that the reasons behind this has to be understood holistically, we have better land management techniques including, better irrigation systems, large scale fertilization, and better grazing and forestry management on a global scale (Zu, et al. (2016), McGrath & Lobell (2013)). However, it seems Zu, et al (2016) has been misunderstood by climate change denialist. A recent paper by Yaun, et al. (2019) indicates that the global vegetation system might be under stress as a result of stomatal closure due to increased vapour pressure deficit, possibly due to climate change. This could offset the so called CO2 fertilization effect and Yaun, et al. (2019) calculates that that the normalized difference vegetation index (NDVI) and leaf area index (LAI) has been decreasing since the early 1990's.

    References

    McGrath, J.M. and Lobell, D.B., 2013. Regional disparities in the CO2 fertilization effect and implications for crop yields. Environmental Research Letters, 8(1), p.014054.

    Yuan, W., Zheng, Y., Piao, S., Ciais, P., Lombardozzi, D., Wang, Y., Ryu, Y., Chen, G., Dong, W., Hu, Z. and Jain, A.K., 2019. Increased atmospheric vapor pressure deficit reduces global vegetation growth. Science advances.

    Zhu, Z., Piao, S., Myneni, R.B., Huang, M., Zeng, Z., Canadell, J.G., Ciais, P., Sitch, S., Friedlingstein, P., Arneth, A. and Cao, C., 2016. Greening of the Earth and its drivers. Nature climate change.
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    Dunno what Padawon the Wookie is on about but on a similar note:

    can't we stop the south americans from destroying the amazon? Surely THAT is achievable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Dunno what Padawon the Wookie is on about but on a similar note:

    can't we stop the south americans from destroying the amazon? Surely THAT is achievable?
    Based on resent analysis India and China have replaced the amount of trees what have been lost in Amazon.

    I was few years back in China and I saw planted trees everywhere. During cultural revolution everybody was making useless iron and trees were cut down. Now having big problems with air quality floods etc. central control, e.g. maybe only one man decided "Plant trees" and order goes down and so there are millions of trees planted.
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    All I have to say is, anyone with an agenda can interpret and display any data (even the same source of data used by ideological opponents) to support their arguments. Any evidence provided to support or refute arguments have to inturn be scrutinised to make sure that input is factual, neutral and without influence. A very hard ask.

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    Erik Holm het ook 'n mening:
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanMaree View Post
    Erik Holm het ook 'n mening:
    Het het 'n paar goeie punte wat 'n paar mense hier nie gaan geniet nie. Oorbevolking is een.
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    Knowing vs Understanding:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k

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    [QUOTE=Padawon;4254002]Okay, so let's think three times before we post any youtube videos as well.

    Lets stick to peer reviewed science.

    /QUOTE]

    No thank you:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cA39q6Wm8KU

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Dunno what Padawon the Wookie is on about but on a similar note:

    can't we stop the south americans from destroying the amazon? Surely THAT is achievable?
    He is providing excellent peer revied research dissing all these conspiracy theories being posted, yet people are very quick to believe any quack that opposes climate change science with made up facts? When quality science is presented it is immediately made out as nonsense, not the raw facts or manipulated to advance hidden agendas? How come?

    I fully agree on the Amazon and population growth they are both things that a lot can be done about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishing1 View Post
    He is providing excellent peer revied research dissing all these conspiracy theories being posted, yet people are very quick to believe any quack that opposes climate change science with made up facts? When quality science is presented it is immediately made out as nonsense, not the raw facts or manipulated to advance hidden agendas? How come?

    I fully agree on the Amazon and population growth they are both things that a lot can be done about.
    Something like this:


    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/...limate-change/

    And before I get hung, I think itís a joke. Donít take me seriously.

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    [QUOTE=Zapiture;4254101]
    Quote Originally Posted by Padawon View Post
    Okay, so let's think three times before we post any youtube videos as well.

    Lets stick to peer reviewed science.

    /QUOTE]

    No thank you:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cA39q6Wm8KU
    Hahahaha, really?

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