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    Default Re: Do you like the new Defender?

    I will speak in faith and proclaim I will be able to afford one to park alongside my 96 300tdi!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgecape View Post
    Love it!! Will buy one as soon as my Bitcoin hits $50,000
    I guess you aren't getting a new Defender then
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    Quote Originally Posted by wvanzyl View Post
    I will speak in faith and proclaim I will be able to afford one to park alongside my 96 300tdi!!!
    forgot to add that it will not be on credit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter bee View Post
    the jokes are out already. i just got this



    A new defender came off the production line without a oil leak. it was sent back to have one installed.
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    Default Re: Do you like the new Defender?

    Anyone reckon that a mv company will stand up and say - right any copyright/patent over the old 90/110/130 body designs are over and we are going to recreate them in aluminium nogal with simple straight forward bush fix engines, gearboxes and drive trains etc whilst satisying minimum safety requirements? If this happens it will be sign that somone is truly up there.

    Old defender is your toy - your toy! New defender is the manufacturer's toy that you are only allowed to borrow and have to give back to them at regular intervals so they can play with it and you pay them as well whenever this happens.

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    Like.

    Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh.

    Will probably replace the Disco with this in a few years.
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    I run a fleet on 12 defender pickups and coverted game viewers. Suppose there are a few more companies throughout Africa like myself that do the same. I replace every 4 years give or take. I have no option but to move on to cruisers now of which 8 have been ordered. Sad day but as someone said evolution I suppose...

    Definitely targeting a different market to what defenders and series landies did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivoryhunter View Post
    I run a fleet on 12 defender pickups and coverted game viewers. Suppose there are a few more companies throughout Africa like myself that do the same. I replace every 4 years give or take. I have no option but to move on to cruisers now of which 8 have been ordered. Sad day but as someone said evolution I suppose...

    Definitely targeting a different market to what defenders and series landies did.
    AFAIK the new Defender is going to come out as a pickup. I have seen reports on that.

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    Super cool! Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jola View Post
    AFAIK the new Defender is going to come out as a pickup. I have seen reports on that.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/BDHxu8bmUPN81Jgn7
    https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum...11#post4227211

    Turns out Land Rover have decided that pick ups are stupid...

    ..good luck loading 30 Goats into the back of an SUV..

    Although to be fair. It does seem as though the article relates specifically to the Double Cab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    yes, here it is for clarity:

    "Originally Posted by: Kingswood
    Looks good, but I would have liked more basic approach.
    Good engine, manual box, spring suspension.
    Interior to be comfortable and functional without too many electronic gizmos.
    I guess LR is not in that class anymore.
    O well."

    I think the LC76 also ticks some of those boxes? Although it has leafs at the back.
    Agreed, but also most Double Cabs or Double cab based SUV's.
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    Like

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    Its certainly going to kick the Prado and Disco and Pajero Community into touch once and for all but it aint no real Defender or Cruiser 76

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    i got banned from the Landrover Defender group on FB cos i said i did not like the vehicle
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    Maybe Defender should have read Pretender? Some of it is to like, some... I don't know!
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    OPINION | Why the new SA-bound Defender makes sense
    07:00 13/09/2019 Lance Branquinho

    As the debate rages about whether the new Defender is, in fact, worthy of its name, Land Rover loyalists should perhaps consider some context.

    Any vehicle with the kind of loyalty and devotion that Defender enjoyed, will generate criticism when it is replaced.

    If we consider other off-road capable model lines which have had an unbroken succession of product - such as Ford’s F-150 and Toyota’s Hilux - the current versions are very different from 20 years ago.

    And they are almost unrecognisable when parked next to an F-150 or a Hilux from the 1970s.

    Land Rover was never going to be able to produce a perfectly modernised Defender. The ageing platform simply had to be replaced.

    Decades-long success
    For decades Land Rover had successfully marketed the Defender on its reputation for unbreakable off-road ability. Sure, the mechanical and electric bits could be bothersome, but you never heard of a Defender’s frame cracking.

    The Defender always had a fundamentally robust base; featuring an oversized steel ladder frame chassis. The new one is made almost entirely from aluminium, which is ironic, as Land Rover used aluminium body panels on the original Defender, due an oversupply of this new alloy after the Second World War.

    Defender traditionalists will question the evolution from a steel frame to an aluminium monocoque, but Land Rover’s best defence for this position is its production portfolio. When the Range Rover transitioned from body-on-frame construction to a monocoque in 2002, it hardly impacted off-road ability.

    The first two generations of Discovery rode on steel ladder-frames, but since Discovery3, all have been aluminium monocoques of varying integration. And is there really a question about the structural durability and off-road ability of a Discovery?

    No resource or justification
    As Land Rover’s luxury SUV products transitioned from steel frames to aluminium unibody construction, there was always going to be a tipping point where building a separate body-on-frame vehicle became unviable.

    Land Rover’s production and engineering systems are all harmonised to produce with very best aluminium technology available. There were simply no resources or justification for keeping the new Defender on a steel ladder frame, no matter how cherished that thought might be for Series 1, 2, 3 or County owners.

    Defender traditionalists might warm to some acceptance of the new vehicle’s advanced unibody construction, but the move from solid axles to independent suspension will be more difficult to accept.

    Solid axles give a guaranteed level of off-road wheel articulation and robustness. An independently suspended wheel can easily blow through its travel or be knocked badly out of alignment in a severe error of judgement off-road.

    To counter the vulnerability of independent suspension, new Defender will be available with air-suspension, which greatly increases the ability to absorb terrain impacts. It also gives new Defender the adaptability to have raised ride height when required (off-road), and run lower, at a more stable centre of gravity, at highway cruising speeds.

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    Default Re: Do you like the new Defender?

    I like it, not as a defender but as a cheaper Discovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clivemd View Post
    i got banned from the Landrover Defender group on FB cos i said i did not like the vehicle
    Serve you right


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    ... remembering as the time line :
    lego - meccano - Land Rover

    ... so then resolve to :
    Series - Defender - New Defender ?
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    The best walkaround video so far. PowerfulUK do a lot of aftermarket products, so they easily spot various functional/design issues

    https://youtu.be/qKale5qOC3w
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