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    Quote Originally Posted by tripodontour View Post
    ........ Zambians are not normally noted for being a violent people ...
    I don't think I can agree to this. If Africans are grouped together and the issue is dissatisfaction (for whatever reason that is) they start rioting just because there is an opportunity to loot.

    My example is the day after Presidential elections were announced and I passed through the border from Livingstone towards Lusaka we were attacked more than once and despite travelling in foreign registered vehicles.
    Shops closed in Chongwe and Mazabuka, long distance buses were smashed up, trucks blocked.

    So far for the peaceful Zambians.

    I also witnessed a train composition derailed intentionally and looted with people coming even from neighbouring villages on bicycles, also in the Mazabuka area.

    So, no surprise here, for the bad news, and "NO" I am not categorizing, I am married to a Zambian and often that side of the border.
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    All is peaceful and quite in Chirundu and the Lower Zambezi National Park.

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    Yes, It does seem like the police have got a handle on it now.
    There was a protest/march planned for yesterday but permission was denied.
    Even the horse back police have been on the streets in Lusaka and extra security at the malls.
    Lets hope that is the end of the unrest

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripodontour View Post
    Yes, It does seem like the police have got a handle on it now.
    There was a protest/march planned for yesterday but permission was denied.
    Even the horse back police have been on the streets in Lusaka and extra security at the malls.
    Lets hope that is the end of the unrest

    working police force.
    interesting.
    haven't seen that in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadranko View Post
    working police force.
    interesting.
    haven't seen that in a while.
    The Zambian police generally dont take nonsense when there are riots. When I was up there, there was unrest on the Lusaka Uni campus (2015 I think it was) and the police went in, sorted it out and the government promptly closed the Uni until the students got their act together.

    Unfortunately, they receive quite a bit of criticism when they sort these disturbances out. Damned if you do, damned if you dont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    The Zambian police generally dont take nonsense when there are riots. When I was up there, there was unrest on the Lusaka Uni campus (2015 I think it was) and the police went in, sorted it out and the government promptly closed the Uni until the students got their act together.

    Unfortunately, they receive quite a bit of criticism when they sort these disturbances out. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

    Zambian police
    according to your post :
    nonsense when there are riots,
    they sort these disturbances out

    and to compare that to local force,
    riots stop when rioters become tired of running around....
    or there is nothing left to loot.

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    Well today I experienced some of that xenophobia first hand. Sitting in my car waiting for a meeting this obviously well off black man parks his brand spanking new Porsche Cayenne behind me.

    The black security guard strikes up a conversation with him, probably admiring the man's ride, and says that they are the same. The man in the Porsche then tells him in no uncertain terms "You and me, we are not the same, Where do you come from? You must go back to where you came from"

    So this xenophobia problem is also driven from the top down and not only from the informal settlements as I initially thought. I wish I took his licence plate to see who he really is.
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    I'm going to Zambia on a trip in November to see the migrating bats, starting in Livingstone and then going north.

    A bit concerned, because a few years ago we got stoned in Zimbabwe after the last xenophobic nonsense here in SA, the Zimbabweans didn't appreciate it.

    Worried that the same could happen in Zambia.

    Any opinions on this ?

    BTW, the trouble in Zimbabwe was in a remote area, so it doesn't just happen in the cities.
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    At present it is all calm and we hope it stays that way.
    Your trip is still a while away, if I hear of any other disturbances I will post on here, but for now I would say do not change your trip: the bats are too special to miss

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    Why do they always cut off their nose to spite their face? Next they will be complaining that all the food shops are closed andthey are hungry. Then they will riot and loot the shops that are still open. Madness!
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    Well, well. The riots etc are the first small indications of a possibly massive eruption. Any person or group at a lack of representation will revert to violance to make themselves heard. Lets fasten the seatbelts and hope we master the ride and come out alive. How do they say.... A hungry man is an angry man.
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    Came across this article where the author thinks SA is heading towards a civil war. Probably a bit extreme as it is only a minority that are doing the rioting and looting in SA. https://www.news.com.au/world/africa...51996c530339ff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfer01 View Post
    Came across this article where the author thinks SA is heading towards a civil war. Probably a bit extreme as it is only a minority that are doing the rioting and looting in SA. https://www.news.com.au/world/africa...51996c530339ff
    Problem is, it spreads faster than a velfire in dry grass. And once the herd mentality takes over - you better have a way out or a LOT of bullets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfer01 View Post
    Came across this article where the author thinks SA is heading towards a civil war. Probably a bit extreme as it is only a minority that are doing the rioting and looting in SA. https://www.news.com.au/world/africa...51996c530339ff
    Highly probable, if not definite!

    The ANC , EFF have already stated that the black-on-black violence is misdirected and should rather be directed against whites.

    "Malema first called for “African brothers and sisters” to rather direct their anger at the “owners of wealth … white monopoly capital”."

    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-afr...ionals-malema/


    https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/...arity-32009673


    The forum will brand me as being negative, but any white SA who still does not see this as being highly probable is, in my opinion, not facing reality.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLandy View Post
    Highly probable, if not definite!

    The ANC , EFF have already stated that the black-on-black violence is misdirected and should rather be directed against whites.

    "Malema first called for “African brothers and sisters” to rather direct their anger at the “owners of wealth … white monopoly capital”."

    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-afr...ionals-malema/


    https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/...arity-32009673


    The forum will brand me as being negative, but any white SA who still does not see this as being highly probable is, in my opinion, not facing reality.....
    I agree, and these racist politicians are painting a BIG FAT bulls-eye on white people's backs, and they know very well that we wont be able to do much about it once it started, and forget about the rest of the world, eg EU or USA giving a rats ass about us here...
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    Here's an Engelsman referencing Siener - he was quite clear on the fact that when a revered (popular) Zulu leader was killed / died (he suggests killed) then there would be a violent uprising and blood in the streets.

    He also stated that the Boer volk would be helped the Germans, who will enter via Walvis Bay, to stop this.

    Interesting - but obviously we hope it doesn't come to pass.
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    I live near Lusaka and can confirm that it is all quiet and in general they did not attack anyone apart from burning a few flags outside the embassy. A few SA shops (Shoprite, PnP and Builders Warehouse) were targeted but apart from broken windows and a fright no one was seriously harmed.

    At Kazangula one driver was beaten driving a truck but again this was calmed down quickly.

    As it stands at the moment all shopping centres are open with extra security for the time being.

    As a country we are really battling. Load shedding for +/- 12 hours a day, rising prices for food and a variety of other issues but the anger that was driven by the attacks in RSA on foreigners appears for the short term to have dissipated.

    Zambia is safe but expect things to worsen until elections as we have an economy in free fall. However Zambians are a proud and happy people in general especially with tourists.

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    Zambia is safe but expect things to worsen until elections as we have an economy in free fall. However Zambians are a proud and happy people in general especially with tourists.
    Thanks !

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    Any idea on what Livingstone is like at the moment. Will be entering via the Falls on Monday morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jola View Post
    Thanks !

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