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    Default Re: The uncontrolled price of diesel at filling stations

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    please elucidate

    the fuel price is published in the public domain on every forecourt
    once again a statement without substantiation or content
    What’s wrong with you. Why are you attacking me.

    I actually supported your statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevensJF View Post
    If you on Discovery Insure you get up to 25% back (limits and stuff apply), either cash or to fund your excess. This also softens the price of diesel a bit.

    I guess the other question is the quality of diesel in South Africa. Some might be cheaper but not necessarily better...

    This is true but as mentioned lower down there is a cap. The current R4,50 per litre in ebucks is higher than 25% aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPiet View Post
    The discovery rebate is really useless. Been there done that. The rebate applies to something like the first 2000 Rand per month spent, I use that up in a week.....

    Well it depends. For some people, specifically retired or work from home people, R2000 may be more than their monthly fuel bill.
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    What’s wrong with you. Why are you attacking me.

    I actually supported your statement.
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    Default Re: The uncontrolled price of diesel at filling stations

    Quote Originally Posted by StevensJF View Post
    If you on Discovery Insure you get up to 25% back (limits and stuff apply), either cash or to fund your excess. This also softens the price of diesel a bit.

    I guess the other question is the quality of diesel in South Africa. Some might be cheaper but not necessarily better...
    The 2 garage / fuel suppliers that are part of the Discovery rebate system are the most expensive in my area. It is cheaper / more cost effective for me to fill up at the places that charge less per litre. Each person's circumstances will dictate what is the best for them, that is why I'm for the system as it is now for Diesel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thys Willemse View Post
    Maybe there is a simple answer that I don't know, but today again I noted that within a radius of 10 km, all Shell filling stations, the price of 50 ppm diesel varies from R 15.79 to R 16.23 per liter

    Why can't they do the same as they do with the price of petrol?
    What do you really prefer? Free market or communist system with fixed prices..........?
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    Default Re: The uncontrolled price of diesel at filling stations

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Are you sure you want that.

    Virtually everybody else is punting for uncontrolled fuel price so it can be discounted and you can shop around for best price.
    One must consider very carefully -especially in our climate of dire need of development -the control of primary input costs -such as fuel, electricity,water,transport,communications... -these are currently best regulated by state regulators ( consider NERSA on Eskom demands? -where might we be be without such body?) -once we have reached market and population sophistication, we can consider a shift to full free-market system if this is best. In this instance market control is still necessary to prevent collusion/price-fixing/profiteering by the members of the producer oligopolies that control 99% of market share

    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Price controls may have been good long time ago but not now. As a result of them diesel drivers suffer due to poor quality diesel, refineries are outdated as the pricing mechanism doesn't allow proper cost for upgrades....

    In several countries where there are no price controls you get an app giving price of fuel. It is called competition.
    I would think that realistic and unbiased price-regulation would lead to a better market/product in our current scenario.Regulators would build in the correct portion required for upgrades etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    And fuel stations with cheap fuel will happily co-operate.

    I see legal problems however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    please elucidate

    the fuel price is published in the public domain on every forecourt
    once again a statement without substantiation or content
    Thanks -details are always good!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    What’s wrong with you. Why are you attacking me.

    I actually supported your statement.
    ? -Fluffy -you have this tendency to get all fluffed up very quickly! Also often to respond in manner to simply refute/ declare a point, without expanding on your reasoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Well it depends. For some people, specifically retired or work from home people, R2000 may be more than their monthly fuel bill.
    I am puzzled -sometimes you write people off as 'cheap' for wanting to attempt a personal project ( even if they make it clear they are interested in the process) rather than spend to buy a 'new/better' one, now you are every retiree's penny-counter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildpicture View Post
    What do you really prefer? Free market or communist system with fixed prices..........?
    Regulation to some degree is necessary -especially in developing countries -or those with poor record of compliance and oversight.
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    I use a place called "Diesel Drive" in Honeydew, R14.63 for 50ppm. I'm sure there are other bulk suppliers out there with similar pricing. No fancy forcourts and excessive staff, just a yard, tanks and a couple of pumps.
    The next best I can do in my area is Total in Weltevreden Park for R14.90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Tanker drivers replace diesel with paraffin and at least in case of 93 octane SASOL petrol with water.

    One big problem especially in the case of diesel are dirty tanks.

    Diesel produced by our old refineries is not what it should be.
    Diesel from the SA refineries are up to spec and subject to rigorous testing before being certified. The problem is that after that, control is very difficult. Most of the reputable fuel transporters also take great care these days. Cases of drivers adding paraffin is rare. Dirty tanks and dishonest backyard depots are the real problem - cannot say what happens there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by An3s View Post
    Diesel from the SA refineries are up to spec and subject to rigorous testing before being certified. The problem is that after that, control is very difficult. Most of the reputable fuel transporters also take great care these days. Cases of drivers adding paraffin is rare. Dirty tanks and dishonest backyard depots are the real problem - cannot say what happens there.
    It might be to a spec but to which spec. The one old local or the latest European?
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    I have actually never paid attention to this, I suppose the only way to know is to drive to the actually garage. Is there a place in the sandton vicinity that charges less than the others?
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    Default Re: The uncontrolled price of diesel at filling stations

    In and around Cpt, more and more filling stations are advertising even more reduced diesel on Weekend / Sundays and cash only.

    Oh yes, OP's original post is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    It might be to a spec but to which spec. The one old local or the latest European?
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    Jy gorrel net sonder enige feite of detail.

    SA rafineerders is 100% op standaard. Hulle kan nie bekostig om kortpaaie te vat nie.

    Ek koop my diesel by net een verskaffer wat sy voorraad net by Sasol kry. Niemand anders nie. Ek kan nie bekostig om goedkoper aan te skaf nie al kry ek ten minste 2 aanbiedings per week. Een kliënt se enjin daarmee heen en ek kan my besigheid sluit.

    Die groothandelprys per liter vir al die dieseltipes is elke dag in die dagblaaie te lees. Die verkoper moet darem ook ń winsfaktor inbou en dit word bepaal deur sy ligging, unievereistes en oorhoofse kostes. Daarom kan klein depots (soos myne) maklik R1/L goedkoper as die "brand" om die hoek vir dieselfde produk wees.
    Wees versigtig vir pryse minder as die groothandelprys of begroot vir enjinherstelwerk.

    Pasop vir produk wat via Mosambiek inkom. Dit is nie op standaard nie en ouens voeg bymiddels by om dit aanvaarbaar te maak, tot een dag. Daar is heelwat haaie in hierdie bedryf...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thys Willemse View Post
    Maybe there is a simple answer that I don't know, but today again I noted that within a radius of 10 km, all Shell filling stations, the price of 50 ppm diesel varies from R 15.79 to R 16.23 per liter

    Why can't they do the same as they do with the price of petrol?
    Why on earth would you want any price to be regulated?

    Let the market decide what anything should cost, not the government.

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    It is actually the unions keeping the regulated process in place. And the government listens to the unions.

    Their fear is that many attendants will loose their jobs once the control is lost.
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    Fuelio app gives prices around your location .. not all but pretty much most.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Price controls may have been good long time ago but not now. As a result of them diesel drivers suffer due to poor quality diesel, refineries are outdated as the pricing mechanism doesn't allow proper cost for upgrades....

    In several countries where there are no price controls you get an app giving price of fuel. It is called competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanMaree View Post
    Jouko

    Jy gorrel net sonder enige feite of detail.

    SA rafineerders is 100% op standaard. Hulle kan nie bekostig om kortpaaie te vat nie.

    Ek koop my diesel by net een verskaffer wat sy voorraad net by Sasol kry. Niemand anders nie. Ek kan nie bekostig om goedkoper aan te skaf nie al kry ek ten minste 2 aanbiedings per week. Een kliënt se enjin daarmee heen en ek kan my besigheid sluit.

    Die groothandelprys per liter vir al die dieseltipes is elke dag in die dagblaaie te lees. Die verkoper moet darem ook ń winsfaktor inbou en dit word bepaal deur sy ligging, unievereistes en oorhoofse kostes. Daarom kan klein depots (soos myne) maklik R1/L goedkoper as die "brand" om die hoek vir dieselfde produk wees.
    Wees versigtig vir pryse minder as die groothandelprys of begroot vir enjinherstelwerk.

    Pasop vir produk wat via Mosambiek inkom. Dit is nie op standaard nie en ouens voeg bymiddels by om dit aanvaarbaar te maak, tot een dag. Daar is heelwat haaie in hierdie bedryf...

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    Thanks to Google I did managed to read it. Few years back refineries asked additional money into the price to be able to upgrade the refineries. Government declined and the upgrades were cancelled according to personnel working on two different refineries. I go to them from time to time. During the last year or so I have been only to SASOL and I have never asked there what they do. Government had actually a deadline for the refineries to do the upgrades. That deadline was not kept due to money issue.

    One of the big mines gets diesel directly from a refinery. They changed the refinery and problems with the trucks started. When I was finishing a diesel related contract there they were waiting for the contract to run out to be able to switch back.

    There are problems with our supplied diesel. Dirt in the tanks is definitely one but also the quality. Some car makes have not brought in specific diesel engines because of this.

    One small area in UK had diesel engine failures couple years back. Suspected reason was poor quality Russian diesel - never proven. Other than that I have not seen issues in Europe. I just need to read a bit on this forum to find threads on failed diesels.

    I attach one study paper. It is several years old but is still valid. Reading it might prevent some engine failures.

    Here is one short article:
    https://www.iol.co.za/business-repor...ations-2063696

    It is not only sulfur content. There are many other issues to the diesel quality. Petrol has its own issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohanMaree View Post
    It is actually the unions keeping the regulated process in place. And the government listens to the unions.

    Their fear is that many attendants will loose their jobs once the control is lost.
    I am not sure is the price regulation and attendants in the same law but we have a law, which was made during the old times. When the law was revised by the current management they retained in the law section, which bans self serving stations. It was a policy to give employment for less educated people.

    P&P tried for years to be allowed to discount petrol. Failed. You can see still what they did. Outside every big P&P there is a petrol station ready to go when they can start discounting.

    There were strict rules against all kind of discounting the petrol and they were enforced. I remember a case where one brand was giving small stickers to children if you filled up. That was considered discounting and was banned. I do not know how these e bugs etc. are possible today. Either the law is changed or not enforced.
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    Drama queen alert, head still hurting from last night??
    Odd way to ask a question though, what was the other interpretation that would have been “non-drama-queen”

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