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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie-zn View Post
    Did I see wild animals being fed . Or was that my imagination.
    Yup, not cool. Not cool at all.
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    I have just returned from a month long visit to Botswana and agree that botswana is not what it used to be. It has got very expensive but none of that extra money is being ploughed back into the infrastructure used by tourists especially self drive ones. They have the nerve to place a " dirt road levy "on very booking.
    The roads around the parks are appalling having been trashed by the tour guide companies with overloaded support vehicles driving way over the speed limit and wherever they wish. Almost every one has narrow truck tyres which cut up the tracks leaving deep sand. Their road manners can be terrible, I know they have tight schedules having to break camp and get to the next stop before the customers arrive but !!!!

    Overall we had a great trip but will not be in a hurry to return SA has better to offer, cheaper , well maintained and better serviced.

    Booking without using an agent is virtually impossible as it is so fragmented. We used eHecti by default and while it was a bit nerve racking getting it done he did come up with every voucher and had all bookings correct.

    The game was quite sparse but that is due to the drought conditions in most places and we can all only hope and pray that rains come early this year.

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    Wild animals being fed indeed!

    This illustrates a startling lack of insight for two reasons:
    1. To feed wild animals in the first place.
    2. Then to show a video of it on a public forum. Some people have no shame.


    Worst of all for me is that this appears to have taken place in the Central Kalahari Game Reserve. Has Joe Public learned nothing after seeing what is happening in Mabuasehube with habituated carnivores?
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    Dit is dalk nie eers die ou wat die diere kos gegee het nie.
    Ek self hou ook glad nie daar van om wilde diere kos te gee nie

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    Feeding wildlife. Hardly is there a better way to prove what this thread is about.
    The sad thing is that feeding wildlife more often than not leads to the death of the animal because it becoming a nuisance and a threat so it has to be shot sooner or later. I don't know if that happens in Botswana but elsewhere for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT n WOLF View Post
    Sometimes when you take a SURVEY, your sampling method could be the one insufficient. If you want to rate areas, just do that as an opinion like you said it was, BUT don't conclude with a statement like "
    things seem to be changing for the worse in Botswana". Botswana is huge and every location offers different services. We live here and the excitement we get in the bush is mind blowing.

    I believe "seems to be" does mean it is his opinion which I do share as well. Even though we love Botswana we believe it became more commercialised and does defnitely not give you the same experience as years ago when there were not so many safari trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie-zn View Post
    Did I see wild animals being fed . Or was that my imagination.
    Hi everyone

    I have read through all the comments of my video very carefully and would like to respond. I don't want to get into any arguments or discussions on this matter, but would just like to make my statement.

    What I showed in the video is totally WRONG. I agree with what some of you say on feeding wild animals. NOT acceptable. However, my aim was not to feed the honey badger or that cape fox. Earlier on that day I left 2 pieces of old bread and some of the chicken bones from the previous night out for the crows that hang around the campsite. Is feeding birds acceptable? Thinking about it, NO. As I did not leave it right next to our campsite, I forgot about these food scraps and did not pick them up again. Later that evening a cape fox was running around our campsite and as we were following it with our flash light it went straight to the spot where I left the food items. The following evening the honey badger had found the spot where I cleaned out the last bit of sheba from our pot. Again my aim was never to feed wild animals.

    The honey badger and the cape fox only visited the campsite for one evening on our 3 night stay at Kori Pan. I know very well what happens when people feed wild animals and I do agree with all of you. It's totally unacceptable. Filming exactly those parts and then publishing it was also not a smart move.

    My aim with this film was to show how much we enjoyed Botswana and although a lot has changed it is still a wonderful country. I would like to apologise for making this a very negative thread with my ignorant and stupid behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourie110 View Post
    Hi everyone

    I have read through all the comments of my video very carefully and would like to respond. I don't want to get into any arguments or discussions on this matter, but would just like to make my statement.

    What I showed in the video is totally WRONG. I agree with what some of you say on feeding wild animals. NOT acceptable. However, my aim was not to feed the honey badger or that cape fox. Earlier on that day I left 2 pieces of old bread and some of the chicken bones from the previous night out for the crows that hang around the campsite. Is feeding birds acceptable? Thinking about it, NO. As I did not leave it right next to our campsite, I forgot about these food scraps and did not pick them up again. Later that evening a cape fox was running around our campsite and as we were following it with our flash light it went straight to the spot where I left the food items. The following evening the honey badger had found the spot where I cleaned out the last bit of sheba from our pot. Again my aim was never to feed wild animals.

    The honey badger and the cape fox only visited the campsite for one evening on our 3 night stay at Kori Pan. I know very well what happens when people feed wild animals and I do agree with all of you. It's totally unacceptable. Filming exactly those parts and then publishing it was also not a smart move.

    My aim with this film was to show how much we enjoyed Botswana and although a lot has changed it is still a wonderful country. I would like to apologise for making this a very negative thread with my ignorant and stupid behaviour.

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    Well played Andre. The comment on the thread and video go to prove a point. I don't think anyone wants it to become personalised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourie110 View Post
    I would like to apologise for making this a very negative thread with my ignorant and stupid behaviour.

    Regards

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    Thanks Andre, and good on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmolyneux View Post
    I have just returned from a month long visit to Botswana and agree that botswana is not what it used to be. It has got very expensive but none of that extra money is being ploughed back into the infrastructure used by tourists especially self drive ones. They have the nerve to place a " dirt road levy "on very booking.
    The roads around the parks are appalling having been trashed by the tour guide companies with overloaded support vehicles driving way over the speed limit and wherever they wish. Almost every one has narrow truck tyres which cut up the tracks leaving deep sand. Their road manners can be terrible, I know they have tight schedules having to break camp and get to the next stop before the customers arrive but !!!!

    Overall we had a great trip but will not be in a hurry to return SA has better to offer, cheaper , well maintained and better serviced.

    Booking without using an agent is virtually impossible as it is so fragmented. We used eHecti by default and while it was a bit nerve racking getting it done he did come up with every voucher and had all bookings correct.

    The game was quite sparse but that is due to the drought conditions in most places and we can all only hope and pray that rains come early this year.
    this is exactly what I’m talking about but I have to accept that this is going to be the norm for Botswana in the future

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