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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    Uys that is what I am trying to say in my post above. The figures is not 100% correct but about 80 000 Amaroks sold world wide per year vs 350 000 Ford Rangers.
    In terms of models that may be the case, but in terms of components, not. How many of those 2l diesels have been produced and used (shared) in other VW (and Audi) vehicles? And steering wheels, and light switches, and airbags, and chassis, and so I can continue. So looking at sales in SA only, or at one model/range only, might be a narrow perspective.

    BUT, as in all industries, every penny counts.

    AND, don't make the mistake and think that the big motor corporations do not make huge mistakes. MB bakkie and dieselgate comes to the recent mind.

    So, although the relevant collaboration may seem to make economic sense, let's hope it will not go down in history as one of the huge mistakes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HeinrichC View Post
    If you people realise the scale of collaboration between manufactures over the years then you would not be so much worried about this one.

    VW and Ford has a history of collaborating.

    1. The earliest one that comes to mind is the VW Sharan and Ford Galaxy.

    2. Some BMW’s, Mini’s and Land Rovers used a Peugeot/Citroen engine.

    2. Some diesel A-Class Mercedes’ used the 1.5 Renault/Dacia engine.

    3. The Peugeot 107, Citroen C1 and Toyota Aygo is in essence the same car.

    4. The Mitsubishi ASX and the Subaru XV.

    5. The Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ.

    6. Chrysler 300 and Mercedes E-Class.

    7. Grand Cherokee and Mercedes M-Class.

    8. Mazda MX-5 and Fiat 124 Spyder.

    The list is endless and this cross manufacturer collaboration has been going in for eons.
    But would anyone say that ANY of the cars on that list were really big sellers / top quality products.

    I've owned more than one on that list by the way but there isn't anything there that's a big volume world beater.

    MX 5 is a great car but very niche.
    M Class doesn't sell in huge numbers.
    We all know how the PSA engine in Discovery 3 and 4's plays out.
    My wife had a C1, great little car but if you combine sales of all three shared platform models they wouldn't reach 10% of the Vivo or similar.
    etc etc

    I drive a platform shared car and it's great but I think that the Amarok is quite special in how different it is to the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLandy View Post
    We are moving in the direction where individual car ownership will not be the norm.

    Cars will become like a Uber utility, you "hire" the (driverless) car for a trip.

    So cars will not be tailored to individual likes/ dislikes but rather a vehicle that is cheap to manufacture, maintain and run.

    Just a matter of time, 10 years or do in Europe, USA.

    I'm sure VW, Ford, Toyota will collaborate more closely going forward.
    Even Merc and BMW, traditionally arch enemies, are working together now on EVs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew5336 View Post
    But would anyone say that ANY of the cars on that list were really big sellers / top quality products.

    I've owned more than one on that list by the way but there isn't anything there that's a big volume world beater.

    MX 5 is a great car but very niche.
    M Class doesn't sell in huge numbers.
    We all know how the PSA engine in Discovery 3 and 4's plays out.
    My wife had a C1, great little car but if you combine sales of all three shared platform models they wouldn't reach 10% of the Vivo or similar.
    etc etc

    I drive a platform shared car and it's great but I think that the Amarok is quite special in how different it is to the rest.
    You read my mind. Nothing memorable (in a positive sense) on that list!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clubbie View Post
    Even Merc and BMW, traditionally arch enemies, are working together now on EVs.
    EV's are a whole new ballgame.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hatjohan View Post
    EV's are a whole new ballgame.
    Indeed, but for Merc and BMW to work together on anything is quite something.

    Imagine Jeep and Land Rover start a partnership......

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubbie View Post
    Indeed, but for Merc and BMW to work together on anything is quite something.

    Imagine Jeep and Land Rover start a partnership......
    Land Rover would never stoop that low.

    Jeep has had more risky bedfellows than Xavier Hollander.
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    So what you are saying is that in the future there will be no more manufacturer section on the forum, as it shall all be much of a muchness.

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    The days of manufacturers actually making their own cars are long gone.

    I wonder if people realise just how many components are shared across platforms and manufacturers, even arch rivals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatjohan View Post
    You read my mind. Nothing memorable (in a positive sense) on that list!
    The 86 is memorable. Already forming a legacy that live for many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZookBug View Post
    The 86 is memorable. Already forming a legacy that live for many years.
    A legacy of disappointing performance and poor build quality / reliability?

    Read up on some of the UK websites about how those BRZ / 86s are lasting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew5336 View Post
    A legacy of disappointing performance and poor build quality / reliability?

    Read up on some of the UK websites about how those BRZ / 86s are lasting...
    How much performance do you expect for R400k?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    When I was young(er) I used to be kind of a brand loyalist especially towards VW and German cars in general.

    But over the years I have learned that the Germans takes built in obsolescence to a whole new level of absurdity. There cars are so technologically packed with gizmos and electronics yet reliability is down the toilet - yes I said it - T O I L E T

    These days, I buy whatever suits my needs, and, perhaps "perceived" reliability and to be honest, the Japs & Koreans are way ahead of the pack.

    That being said - I will never buy a VW/Ford amalgamation - especially since I regard Ford - the company as criminal empire if you read up on their history of denial of blatant faults, people dying in their cars that catches fire etc etc - they are a BAD company - their vehicles I guess are OK'ish but the company leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubbie View Post

    Imagine Jeep and Land Rover start a partnership......
    What could possibly go wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    What could possibly go wrong...
    Actually nothing.

    You wouldn't be able to buy one - they wouldn't make it to the showroom floor for you to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Actually nothing.

    You wouldn't be able to buy one - they wouldn't make it to the showroom floor for you to buy.
    Ouch......


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    Quote Originally Posted by clubbie View Post
    Ouch......

    I am demonstrating that I am not biased or brand bashing.

    I have owned both - Land Rover and Jeep are both equally good and [email protected]

    In a Land Rover the high tech stuff breaks.
    In a Jeep no high tech stuff breaks, there isn't any, just the ox wagon stuff breaks.

    That's why we all need a VW LREEP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatjohan View Post
    You read my mind. Nothing memorable (in a positive sense) on that list!

    only 2 of the best small sports cars ever produced (MX5 and 86/BRZ)
    (and in many experts opinions i could have left "small" out of the above statement)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrusselSprout View Post
    only 2 of the best small sports cars ever produced (MX5 and 86/BRZ)
    (and in many experts opinions i could have left "small" out of the above statement)
    Your'e joking right - 86/BRZ

    Both may look the part, but that's as far as it goes. Sheep in wolves clothing, compared to real sports cars where is the taught chassis and handling.

    How can you can even compare a MX5 with those two modified Collolas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Land Rover would never stoop that low.

    Jeep has had more risky bedfellows than Xavier Hollander.
    Where do you know her from?

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