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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    Thank you so much! yes i intended on doing as much research as i can before making my decision. however the Pajero sport seems to be in the lead for me
    You seem to be in my position a few months ago. I too had my heart set on the paj sport and after many many look arounds and a few months of test drives I still couldn't find an example I thought to be worthy of price. They were either "too used" or not quite what I was excited about.
    As a total coincidence I walked into a dealership just to browse when one of their guys came driving in with an outlander which was just traded. Still dirty and full of previous owners things I test drove it and then loved it. Sure, it doesn't have to capability of the paj sport but for my camping, fishing and beach driving it's perfect. Maybe just a tad bit on the thirsty side but it makes up for that with the comfort and drive. Has enough space for all my gear when it's needed but swambo can also quite easily go to pick 'n pay and park without damaging anything.
    For my purposes all I still need to do is change the wheels for a smaller A/T. The road 18" it comes with haven't let me down as yet but it could do with better traction on the sand.
    Hope you find that perfect sport but don't discount the outlander just yet.
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    OK to re-cap:

    - suv for its practicality in terms of passengers and comfort
    - has to be an auto.
    - Budget wise, Looking at give or take 200k.

    In no specific order:
    - Nissan Patrol if you can find the auto
    - Toyota LC105
    - Pajero

    Hummers are for wannabe Janquis.
    Any Jeep except a Wrangler is a money pit.
    Discoveries 3 or 4: see my last comment and Land Rover except a Defender is a money pit
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    After spending the R200k, how much do you have left for maintenance?

    The reality is that you will not be buying a big 4x4 SUV that is still under warranty and service plan for your given price. The cars mentioned are ALL nice but you have to know that running a large 4x4 SUV costs money, even the reliable ones.

    Set of tyres: R12k
    Shocks: R8-10k
    Control arms - R15k
    Brake pads & discs - R3k

    What I am trying to say is that "normal" wear and tear items costs money. You're going to look at cars with more than 120 000km on the clock and older than 5 years, and as such running maintenance will become an added expense. I am not putting you off, but just don't think that buying a "reliable" 4x4 will equate to no running costs.

    Now with that out of the way...

    Consider the Trailblazer. With Chev having left the country their resale has taken a knock and some good deals to be had out there:

    https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used...toria/4901529/

    Parts are currently still relatively available, but this could become an issue in the medium term. Still a lot of car for your money.

    Another option (as previously mentioned) is the ugly old shape Ford Everest. Great value for money and once you are inside, a lekker car:

    https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used...-Town/4937400/

    https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used...zburg/4435104/

    And if you don't need low range, ignore all of this and go and buy a Nissan X-Trail. These are brilliant cars and in my mind some of the best value for money you can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    OK to re-cap:

    - suv for its practicality in terms of passengers and comfort
    - has to be an auto.
    - Budget wise, Looking at give or take 200k.

    In no specific order:
    - Nissan Patrol if you can find the auto
    - Toyota LC105
    - Pajero

    Hummers are for wannabe Janquis.
    Any Jeep except a Wrangler is a money pit.
    Discoveries 3 or 4: see my last comment and Land Rover except a Defender is a money pit
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    LC 105 with automatic gearbox?
    didn't it? Oh well, scratch that one then..............
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    With your needs, would go for any of the Trailblazer, Everest or Pajero. Would just take the one with the lowest mileage and best tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabs View Post
    You seem to be in my position a few months ago. I too had my heart set on the paj sport and after many many look arounds and a few months of test drives I still couldn't find an example I thought to be worthy of price. They were either "too used" or not quite what I was excited about.
    As a total coincidence I walked into a dealership just to browse when one of their guys came driving in with an outlander which was just traded. Still dirty and full of previous owners things I test drove it and then loved it. Sure, it doesn't have to capability of the paj sport but for my camping, fishing and beach driving it's perfect. Maybe just a tad bit on the thirsty side but it makes up for that with the comfort and drive. Has enough space for all my gear when it's needed but swambo can also quite easily go to pick 'n pay and park without damaging anything.
    For my purposes all I still need to do is change the wheels for a smaller A/T. The road 18" it comes with haven't let me down as yet but it could do with better traction on the sand.
    Hope you find that perfect sport but don't discount the outlander just yet.
    most definitely will look into that, surprised i hadn't come across as many threads or info on them but will sure do some digging. thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post

    Hummers are for wannabe Janquis.
    Oi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    Any specific brands you have in mind with regards to that?
    Oh, I will not mention specific brands or else I will have to run and hide. Remember that you might consider a British make but under the hood is a French engine.

    I loved my Renault but once it started giving me crap it became a money pit.
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    Asking for best vehicle advice on a 4x4 site is like asking for the best bait on a fishing site.
    Only difference is baits cheaper!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by albertvl View Post
    Oh, I will not mention specific brands or else I will have to run and hide. Remember that you might consider a British make but under the hood is a French engine.

    I loved my Renault but once it started giving me crap it became a money pit.
    I think it can happen with any brand to have problems and become a money pit. The 1.5dci engine in the Duster is used in many other vehicles including the Mercedes A,B and CLA. Nissan and Renault share many components the 4x4 system in the Duster comes from the X-Trail. So to say the X-Trail is a great vehicle but the Duster is crap doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooly View Post
    I think it can happen with any brand to have problems and become a money pit. The 1.5dci engine in the Duster is used in many other vehicles including the Mercedes A,B and CLA. Nissan and Renault share many components the 4x4 system in the Duster comes from the X-Trail. So to say the X-Trail is a great vehicle but the Duster is crap doesn’t make a lot of sense.
    The problem that I had experienced is that not everybody can really work on these vehicles. I'm not saying the French makes are bad, I am saying that our mechanics don't always seem to understand them.
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    I have found new interests in the Nissan Xtrail. Doing more reading up and research. Sounds like a great vehicle so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    I have found new interests in the Nissan Xtrail. Doing more reading up and research. Sounds like a great vehicle so far...
    Once you are done reading up on the xtrail start reading up on the Renault koleos.
    It's basically a xtrail but cheaper.

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    Have a look at some Touaregs with air suspension. Super comfortable and very capable off road. I bought a 2006 last year January for 145k. I have put it through its paces off road and added over 50 000 kms, so plenty!!!

    If you follow the Toareg threads you will see that reliability isnt really an issue and once you know the right people, parts etc are reasonable considering its a premium suv.

    Also tyres, that all depends if you love brands. I have always searched for best price and generally pay around R5000 a set of tyres. I have never had a bad experience on any of our vehicles. I have fitted these to: Chevrolet 3.2 LTZ captiva. Ford Ranger super cab (all terrains). Caddy crew cab 1.9 tdi. hyundai sante fe (facelift). and now recently to my touareg (all terrains) with about 20 000kms done already, grip well in sand, rocks and tar and wear is really good.

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    If you don't mind a BW registered vehicle, my son is selling his Toyota Prado (V6 petrol 3400cc) autobox with suspension lift, OME shocks etc.

    Vehicle is in good nick (was maintained by the mine mechanics in Zambia), low mileage(+- 140k) and is currently not in use as he has temporarily moved to the UK.

    It will be considerably cheaper (looking for R 150k) so some money for the upkeep available.
    I guess a re-registration in SA should not be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lxv View Post
    The only problem I have with the pajero is what the word pajero means in Spanish
    What?
    This? Pajero according the Spanish Diccionary means "the person who carries straw."
    or (Central America) (informal) (= mentiroso)liar
    or (Central America) (= fontanero) plumber

    It has a slang name too yes, just like some other cars
    But this is OT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    I have found new interests in the Nissan Xtrail. Doing more reading up and research. Sounds like a great vehicle so far...
    The Xtrail is known as the Rogue in the USA and is the best selling vehicle in its class in the USA. Here it presents very good value for money, especially on the used market, because it is not as popular as the RAV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocin View Post
    Once you are done reading up on the xtrail start reading up on the Renault koleos.
    It's basically a xtrail but cheaper.
    What are the main differences between the Duster and the Koleos?
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