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    Default 1st time 4x4 buyer

    Hi Guys,
    I'm looking for my first 4x4 so have been reading up on the forums.
    So much info!
    My needs are a double cab 4x4 for
    1) family car for comfortable cruising on national roads
    2) farm roads and sometimes 4x4 conditions
    3) towing on occasions, nothing seriously heavy
    4) some southern African adventures in the future

    My budget is max 370K but preferably 350 or less.
    I've pretty much narrowed it down to Hilux or Ranger. Have had short drives in the D4D 3.0 and the Ranger 2.2.
    Both felt easy to drive and comfortable.

    Not to start a hilux vs ranger debate but what do you guys think?

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    Default Re: 1st time 4x4 buyer

    Inadvertently...you have just started the debate.

    Ranger owners will say Ranger and Hilux drivers will say Hilux. I am on my 2nd Ranger and one Everest (just traded in back to a Ranger). All 2.2's. I am very happy however the choice always remains that of your own. Nothing wrong with a Hilux. I just got a better deal and better spec'd Ranger for less mileage and less money.

    I would say after my 2 month hunt, I steer clear of used car dealers and will only deal with the Agents when it comes to buying a used car, and even there it was hard to find a decent vehicle. I eventually got one that ticked the boxes.

    Take your time and make the effort to go see and drive the cars you are interested in. Ask many questions and look at the small things as well. The decent used cars unfortunately sell very quickly and I had to jump to get this one. Enjoy hunting!

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    I can't add much, but I will be in front of the exact choice in about 2 years:

    4x4 DC for around R400k.

    If I may ask, why have you removed the Amarok, Isuzu, Triton and Navara from your options?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groenman View Post
    I can't add much, but I will be in front of the exact choice in about 2 years:

    4x4 DC for around R400k.

    If I may ask, why have you removed the Amarok, Isuzu, Triton and Navara from your options?
    I've heard a few campfire stories about the Amarok not being as robust as the competition, but other than that it just makes it too complicated to compare and search for so many other brands. I just thought, go with the best sellers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonN View Post
    Inadvertently...you have just started the debate.

    Ranger owners will say Ranger and Hilux drivers will say Hilux. I am on my 2nd Ranger and one Everest (just traded in back to a Ranger). All 2.2's. I am very happy however the choice always remains that of your own. Nothing wrong with a Hilux. I just got a better deal and better spec'd Ranger for less mileage and less money.

    I would say after my 2 month hunt, I steer clear of used car dealers and will only deal with the Agents when it comes to buying a used car, and even there it was hard to find a decent vehicle. I eventually got one that ticked the boxes.

    Take your time and make the effort to go see and drive the cars you are interested in. Ask many questions and look at the small things as well. The decent used cars unfortunately sell very quickly and I had to jump to get this one. Enjoy hunting!
    thanks for the tips, I am very scared of buying second hand, and most options online are from dealers. I will scout out the agents. My mechanic has offered to do an inspection of any car I am serious about, so that will help if it is close by.

    Prices seem to be a bit lower in Gauteng than the Western Cape or is that not possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grog View Post
    I've heard a few campfire stories about the Amarok not being as robust as the competition, but other than that it just makes it too complicated to compare and search for so many other brands. I just thought, go with the best sellers...
    Don't listen to campfire stories on any vehicle

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    Welcome to the forum, As above go and drive them before you cast them aside,Isuzu and the Amarok have many happy owners on here and are very good vehicles,
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    I would firstly look at how the vehicles compare according to alternative shopping figures.

    Then with the Ranger, I would read through the posts about the radiator hoses chafing through.

    In the end (but this is just me) I would still buy a Defender
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grog View Post
    I've heard a few campfire stories about the Amarok not being as robust as the competition, but other than that it just makes it too complicated to compare and search for so many other brands. I just thought, go with the best sellers...
    So, follow the herd then?

    Don't base your decision on stories, go drive all of them. Your mind will probably change 2 or 3 times.

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    Between the two options the d4d is old tech and the drive not as comfy as the ford.However its one of the best motors around so buying second hand you will be "safer" for lack of beter word.
    The ranger 2.2 can hold its own when it comes to real world performance.The cabin is nice and comfy and you get a more modern design bakkie.
    If i had to choose..It will be the one i like driving the most..AND i will only buy auto.manual vehicles suck

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    Default Re: 1st time 4x4 buyer

    If, you plan on driving it for a long time - get the Hilux

    If only for a couple years, get the Hilux




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    If you are sure you don't want to consider other options, out of those 2 I would get the Hilux and fit an EFS or Old Man Emu suspension. That should take care of the relatively harsh ride the Hilux standard suspension gives you otherwise.
    Personally I would stay away from Ford.

    In my opinion you do make a mistake by not even considering the Isuzu KB or Amarok. You won't find a more comfortable bakkie than the Amarok. Unlike Ford, VW doesn't have all these reliability issues with their bakkie. Isuzu has always been a solid choice, often overlooked by a lot of people. Use it, don't use it...

    Good luck and enjoy the search for your first 4x4.
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    As good as those two options are, just remember their insurance is higher.

    I only have Toyotas in my garage right now, but im not blind to good vehicles and good deals.

    This is what R350k can get you if you look at other brands:
    https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used...urion/3507672/

    and for R375k you can get the new shape:
    https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used...pruit/4864395/
    and
    https://www.cars.co.za/for-sale/used...ntein/4694179/

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    What about a mitsu
    With superselect you have a all wheel drive bakkie, only the amarok can offer the same all wheel drive safety, and the theft risk is less than the ranger and hilux. Just a thought

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    The best and worst part about the hilux is that their value holds very well, only problem comes when wanting to purchase one they are often more expensive than other brands equivalents as secondhand vehicles.

    I had this issue when wanting to recently purchase a workhorse, and I managed to get a much better spec car than a much older hilux for the same price and i made sure I wasn't forfeiting anything in reliability.
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    Thanks for all the replies and advice, I have already changed my mind so many times!
    In the end I know I will be super happy when I get rid of my Corsa bakkie!
    The Honda I will not sell.

    I will keep looking and maybe worth test driving some of the other brands, just finding the time!
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    What about the Toyota 2.4 GD6 SRX? Vs an older 3.0 D4D ?

    https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...20911228410109
    https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...80911365364909

    And what about these prices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grog View Post
    Thanks for all the replies and advice, I have already changed my mind so many times!
    In the end I know I will be super happy when I get rid of my Corsa bakkie!
    The Honda I will not sell.

    I will keep looking and maybe worth test driving some of the other brands, just finding the time!

    If you see something interesting just call the dealership and ask them to bring the vehicle to you for a test drive, I did this and test drove a couple of bakkies to find my current vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grog View Post
    What about the Toyota 2.4 GD6 SRX? Vs an older 3.0 D4D ?

    https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...20911228410109
    https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...80911365364909

    And what about these prices?
    I'd go for the newer 2.4GD over d4d, jy sal nie spyt wees nie!
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    For more peace of mind, you can arrange with Dekra (roadworthy testing place) to do a technical inspection of the vehicle you're interested in. It costs around R 2000, takes them about 3 hours and you get a written report on the vehicle covering just about everything. Obviously one would only go to this expense once you've pretty made your final decision / choice on a specific vehicle. I've done it several times, and think its worth the cost.

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