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    Default Re: Robbery at Manyane (Pilanesberg) - 1 robber killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayefe View Post
    golden leopard needs to engage a professional security company and relook at a new whole strategy asap; immediate corrective action to contain then preventive action to cement and change things as they stand now.
    Just what I worry about, minimum paid local guys standing around (in a uniform) watching you braai fillet and him going home to yesterday's pap, him watching quietly while you fiddle on fancy cameras, cellphones and laptops and he has no airtime, with nothing else on his mind as to how unfair it all is.....

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    I take my and my family's safety in my own hands (how I do that is my choice) but I don't put something that important into some unknown strangers hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caracal View Post
    With all due respect, have you seen the fencing around Manyane? A 10 year old could access the place with ease.

    Again, with all due respect, there were guests walking around the resort during and after the shooting who were unaware of the situation. The very least the staff could have done was send security around to ask them to just return to their chalet/caravan/tent as they had a security situation that they needed to handle.

    The fact that there are now other incidents of crime surfacing on platforms like tripadvisor/facebook proves that its been an ongoing issue at Manyane and as I stated earlier, it is my wish that the general camping/chalet going person is aware of the risks, and most importantly, that no one has to die or get injured at the resort ever again.

    My wife and I could have been victims here, and we realise how close we were. We will be forever grateful to the gentleman in chalet 58 who pulled the trigger.
    I hear you and this puts it in a different perspective for me. I haven't been to Manyane so I didn't know that the fence was pretty shabby. And I agree that there should be some form of emergency plan if something should happen. I related this to my experience of an incident at a different venue but in retrospect I accept that my post was not relevant to this particular situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertvl View Post
    I hear you and this puts it in a different perspective for me. I haven't been to Manyane so I didn't know that the fence was pretty shabby. And I agree that there should be some form of emergency plan if something should happen. I related this to my experience of an incident at a different venue but in retrospect I accept that my post was not relevant to this particular situation.

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    Default Re: Robbery at Manyane (Pilanesberg) - 1 robber killed

    Quote Originally Posted by carlp View Post
    Pilansberg is not like Kruger. You declare but keep on carrying
    Ok thanks did not know that, never been there.
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    As a matter of interest, do the management or the company have a set of Ts & Cs with any disclaimers? If so, do the disclaimers cover this type of incident and are they legal?

    Often, when entering parks or venues like this, you sign a document where you understand and agree to the Ts & Cs as well as an Indemnity. Its possible that any company could use such in order to wash their hands of any responsibility for such an incident and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    As a matter of interest, do the management or the company have a set of Ts & Cs with any disclaimers? If so, do the disclaimers cover this type of incident and are they legal?

    Often, when entering parks or venues like this, you sign a document where you understand and agree to the Ts & Cs as well as an Indemnity. Its possible that any company could use such in order to wash their hands of any responsibility for such an incident and others.
    Indemnities do not cover negligence. So if you're a visitor and you can prove negligence (for instance, gates not locked up and guards not on duty), their Ts and Cs and indemnity forms isn't worth the paper it's written on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    As a matter of interest, do the management or the company have a set of Ts & Cs with any disclaimers? If so, do the disclaimers cover this type of incident and are they legal?

    Often, when entering parks or venues like this, you sign a document where you understand and agree to the Ts & Cs as well as an Indemnity. Its possible that any company could use such in order to wash their hands of any responsibility for such an incident and others.
    With any kind of liability waiver, the onus is on you to prove negligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
    With any kind of liability waiver, the onus is on you to prove negligence.
    Exactly my point. After repeated incidents and notifications, the status remains the same, in which case, the management could be waiting for proof of negligence, no doubt an endeavor which would be time consuming and costly to the individual who has been a victim.

    Its a ''sit back and manage the exceptions'' approach, much cheaper than actually fixing s*&t
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwgg View Post
    I suppose National Parks will chase the guy who did not declare his weapon.
    Manyane is outside of the park boundary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlp View Post
    Pilansberg is not like Kruger. You declare but keep on carrying
    SANPARKS seal your weapon and then you take it into the park
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    Pilansberg is not part of Sanparks ? I stand to be corrected?

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    Pilansberg is not part of Sanparks ? I stand to be corrected?
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    Default Re: Robbery at Manyane (Pilanesberg) - 1 robber killed

    Quote Originally Posted by sparewheel View Post
    Pilansberg is not part of Sanparks ? I stand to be corrected?
    Correct. It is administered by North West Parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparewheel View Post
    Pilansberg is not part of Sanparks ? I stand to be corrected?
    http://www.northwestparks.org.za/contactus.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Condor View Post
    Manyane and Bakgatla are administered by Goldern leopard Resorts. They in turn are run by the North West Development Corporation.

    North West Parks administers the Pilansberg National Park.

    Essentially the buck stops at North West development Corporation
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    Fear of harm - what a relief to give into it at first. Once done it is not hard to convince yourself that you are making the right decision,doing the smart safe thing. But fear is willing to take anything away from you that you are willing to give it. At first it only those parts of your life that you are willing to cut out. Strolls in the local park, late nights out, long distance driving after dark, not going to one place or another. But if you do not look out, fear of harm, without you realising it and after robbing you of one thing, then another and another will start taking anything away from you that it pleases. No, rather be prepared, arm yourself against harm and do as you damn well please. If harm does approach visit it with a calm fury so resolute you become fear itself. That is true freedom in this imperfect world. That is the way it has always been and will be for all time to come.

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