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    Default Stealers - please stop the thievery!

    So I’m in the process of rebuilding my Paj. Bought 24 hydraulic lifters.

    Got 20 from Nascar .....R680
    Four from Mitsubishi.....R 1520

    Here’s the punchline: I just received both batches. Exact same packaging, exact same wholesale supplies.

    How can this possibly be justified?

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    Its the way big business does business - and they dont even supply free Vaseline

    I phoned the stealers, as I need the cabin pollin airfilters for my KIA, its just two little paper filters but cant find them ANYWHERE at spare shops - R1212 ! Madness !!
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    Default Re: Stealers - please stop the thievery!

    The price difference is huge, and not sure that it can be justified

    But here are some reasons why they are more expensive

    Nascar buys directly from the original supplier - end of story

    OEM, most likely has a central purchase team for these items... This will then go to a central parts warehouse in Japan, South-East Asia or Europe depending on where it is sourced... From there it might go to a regional warehouse, or more likely to the Regional Distribution Center in South Africa... They will then dispatch to the dealers are required... Now each one of these steps have a certain cost implication, but there will also be a markup % at each point... This inflates the price by the time it reaches the retail sales point, who will also have to add a certain %... Each one of these areas are measured on certain financial performance individually...

    So yes, there is a reason why parts are more expensive at OEM... Especially when it is OEM designed and manufactured... Othere 'generic parts' (some filters, Bosch, Wabco etc) should not have huge differences, but these are usually due to internal processes and the supply chain... But, perhaps not to the huge extent that you are pointing out.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapiture View Post
    So I’m in the process of rebuilding my Paj. Bought 24 hydraulic lifters.

    Got 20 from Nascar .....R680
    Four from Mitsubishi.....R 1520

    Here’s the punchline: I just received both batches. Exact same packaging, exact same wholesale supplies.

    How can this possibly be justified?
    Nascar - no big shiny display building and less staff
    Dealer - big shiny display building and more staff

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    Its the way big business does business - and they dont even supply free Vaseline

    I phoned the stealers, as I need the cabin pollin airfilters for my KIA, its just two little paper filters but cant find them ANYWHERE at spare shops - R1212 ! Madness !!
    Of you drive up in Paul Kruger towards the city, there is a place that makes them. As you go through the subways you get to a robot, think it is Myburgh street?? There was a caravan stand on your left. As you go over the robot on the left there is a small shop only making and supplying filters. Try them.

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    Back in my flying days I had the front wheel bearings replaced. R600 odd for one. I asked the AMO to leave the old ones in the plane. They were in a well known aircraft brand box but they were actually a Timkin bearing that Massey Ferguson used on the front wheel of the 165 tractor. R15 at my local tractor spares shop...……………….
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwgg View Post
    Back in my flying days I had the front wheel bearings replaced. R600 odd for one. I asked the AMO to leave the old ones in the plane. They were in a well known aircraft brand box but they were actually a Timkin bearing that Massey Ferguson used on the front wheel of the 165 tractor. R15 at my local tractor spares shop...……………….
    And here I thought they were aircraft grade, QC'd and tracked on case of an accident.

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    Nascar is a good place to find odd spares and parts that the other places don't stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwgg View Post
    Back in my flying days I had the front wheel bearings replaced. R600 odd for one. I asked the AMO to leave the old ones in the plane. They were in a well known aircraft brand box but they were actually a Timkin bearing that Massey Ferguson used on the front wheel of the 165 tractor. R15 at my local tractor spares shop...……………….
    Quote Originally Posted by boanergesza1 View Post
    And here I thought they were aircraft grade, QC'd and tracked on case of an accident.
    Aircraft parts made by commercial manufacturers are normally produced in batches that comply with the applicable regulations around the part/s.

    The materials used are required to be traceable back to source, for example, so the steel used for those bearings would be traceable back to the mill that supplied Timken, and the mill might have to go back further, depending on what the part/material is.

    At manufacture, the normal production line is used unless product specifications demand otherwise, but intermediate quality and standards inspections would be added over the usual checks, with all steps documented as per the applicable Nation's Regulations (in the US it might be PMA, for example) and this all costs money and is passed on down the line.
    Bear in mind that the manufacturers are required to carry insurance for their products, in the event of your Cessna/Beech/Piper suffering a mishap that is traceable back to that bearing failing, and that adds to costs.

    Then add in a healthy does of opportunism because "it's for aircraft" and the price becomes understood.
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    It's getting stupid. A local used car dealer had to replace a sunroof frame on an X5. R58k On a car that they retailed for R120k. A friend had a Chery Tiggo. Got a quote for a trade in and they offered him R71k. Two weeks later while towing his caravan the gearbox konked out. R71k. Load sensing valve on my Corsa Ute. R2500.

    And let's not even open the whole TDV6 can of worms...
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    I saw the airfilter for my XT660 advertised at R1218 at a online shop in SA. It is about the size of a small lunch box. I will make my own

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    GUD do cabin filters for most cars at 1/4 of dealer prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boanergesza1 View Post
    And here I thought they were aircraft grade, QC'd and tracked on case of an accident.
    Engine and other parts are but mundane things like wheel bearings, starter spares, voltage regulators and alternator parts are not. Just get boxed and inflated.
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    Let me give another example:

    Land Rover Menlyn LR 4 break pad wear sensor R 687.63

    British Land Rover R150.

    Same part, both in original Land Rover Packaging.

    Nothing justifies that kind of discrepancy.

    There is such a thing as a weighted scale(dishonest profits). It was detestable 4000 years ago, it remains detestable today.

    There is no way to sugar coat this fact.

    Oh yes, I almost forgot: IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    Its the way big business does business - and they dont even supply free Vaseline

    I phoned the stealers, as I need the cabin pollin airfilters for my KIA, its just two little paper filters but cant find them ANYWHERE at spare shops - R1212 ! Madness !!
    Korean spares or Naskar Silverton. Maybe even Goldwagen

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    Its the way big business does business - and they dont even supply free Vaseline

    I phoned the stealers, as I need the cabin pollin airfilters for my KIA, its just two little paper filters but cant find them ANYWHERE at spare shops - R1212 ! Madness !!
    I got a GUD cabin filter for my Kia at midas, take yours in as a sample, they should have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBob View Post
    Korean spares or Naskar Silverton. Maybe even Goldwagen
    Cant find it no-one has them - phoned the whole world allready....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLandy View Post
    I got a GUD cabin filter for my Kia at midas, take yours in as a sample, they should have it.
    Problem is, the previous owners removed them, so all thats left is the plastic cartridge frame thingy's I have no sample and it seems only 3 people on this planet called earth ever bought the 1st generation sorentos....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLandy View Post
    I got a GUD cabin filter for my Kia at midas, take yours in as a sample, they should have it.
    It's like Toyota charging R950 for a aircon filter but at Midas I got one for R60 for my Fortuner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    Problem is, the previous owners removed them, so all thats left is the plastic cartridge frame thingy's I have no sample and it seems only 3 people on this planet called earth ever bought the 1st generation sorentos....
    I found Kia and Hyundai were identical. Find the equivalent to Sorento
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