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    What about a left-field option and something like Bahrain? Just came back from a two-week business meeting and met a lot of expats. To a person they love it there. Stuart and Roger the two Melbournites, were quite vocal about how they preferred life in Bahrain to that back home. Wenzel and Johan were two SA mainframe guys in their late 50's who also seemed to do quite well there.

    It is not for me, personally, for a variety of reasons, but I can definitely see how you could make a decent living there. I definitely prefer it to Dubai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevan View Post
    How is staying in Malawi?
    It's good. Like it's neighbours, it's not perfect but there's a lot of positives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggen View Post
    I would love to live in the Netherlands, unfortunately with a South African passport it is incredibly difficult.
    This is unfortunately true, and just as difficult even if married to a Dutch citizen.

    A good buddy of mine from SA married a Dutch girl round about the same time I married my Belgian Swambo. We both did so in SA. Long story short, I got Belgian citizenship before he even got a Dutch work permit.

    Also, as someone mentioned, The Netherlands being on average a few metres below the current sea level might have a problem in the not too distant future. But they are so far doing a very good job of keeping the water out. Europe has done a complete 180 degree turn and as putting the blame for rising sea levels squarely on diesel vehicles. Go figure.

    But as far as Belgium goes, for those looking for another country, do some Gooogling. But I must warn you, this country is an acquired taste. It takes some getting used, but I think it's well worth it. I love it. (not just the beer)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Naes-Landy View Post
    This is unfortunately true, and just as difficult even if married to a Dutch citizen.

    A good buddy of mine from SA married a Dutch girl round about the same time I married my Belgian Swambo. We both did so in SA. Long story short, I got Belgian citizenship before he even got a Dutch work permit.

    Also, as someone mentioned, The Netherlands being on average a few metres below the current sea level might have a problem in the not too distant future. But they are so far doing a very good job of keeping the water out. Europe has done a complete 180 degree turn and as putting the blame for rising sea levels squarely on diesel vehicles. Go figure.

    But as far as Belgium goes, for those looking for another country, do some Gooogling. But I must warn you, this country is an acquired taste. It takes some getting used, but I think it's well worth it. I love it. (not just the beer)


    Been in the IT industry, I find that they go out the way to attract overseas skills. Some companies sponsor visas and they have a 70% Rule to make it more attractive for overseas candidates.

    Maybe I should look at Belgium too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Ranger View Post
    Are foreigners allowed to own property outright or do they work on a lease system?
    Property & land is a very interesting question for eswatini. Its know as the country with no internal borders, you can technically wall north south east west and not be trespassing. As long as you make the people aware that you are coming through.

    As of 2015 a law was passed that only eswatini citizen my own property outright, as a foreigner one would need to register a business entity and the business can purchase a property in the entities name. The catch here is that as a foreign business owner must have a local shareholder. You can do have the local shareholder sell back there shares after a certain time.

    The other option is that after 5 years living in Eswatini one can 'Khonta' and become a citizen- then you can buy property in a municipality and pay rates or the chiefdom you fall under, he can allocate you a piece of nation land to build a house for a nominal contribution ( R 1200 per year) to the chief. - this is all customary law and legal. but you can't sell it. Your first born son will inherit it- but you can rent it out.

    But word is that the new goverment is going to update the law of 2015 to allow foreign residential ownership- since the act of 2015 housing market has stagnated as the are very little eswatini citizen with buying power. Also they are still trying to pass an act for sectional title ownership.

    The fact that all indigenous swazi have a claim to a piece of land under swazi nation land in there chiefdom usually has them renting near to where they work while the build themselves a house "back home" on a piece of land - there they pay no rates, but can get electricity and water connected, but no title deed and rural living. Perfect for retirement.

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    Could a plumber who cant speak afrikaans get a job in Holland. My Belgium BIL tells me you have to book a plumber months in advance. I wonder if this is true.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenhorn View Post
    Been in the IT industry, I find that they go out the way to attract overseas skills. Some companies sponsor visas and they have a 70% Rule to make it more attractive for overseas candidates.

    Maybe I should look at Belgium too.
    You should. Blue collar work is pretty much EU citizens only, but it is true that they are crying for certain skills from outside the EU in various specialised industries. I'm sure the mighty Google will show which ones those are.

    I also think Belgium has one of the better social systems in Europe. You get your dues here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggen View Post
    I would love to live in the Netherlands, unfortunately with a South African passport it is incredibly difficult.
    Any offers for my Dutch passport Both my sons, born in SA received them, my wife, No, No, she has to stay there for five years and then pass a test before being considered.
    I have been seriously considering going back, although lived 98% of my life in SA. Only thing keeping me here, is being afraid of making such a big step at my age, pension, thus wont be able to work there anymore, and off course, not being able to get in the car, and hop over a couple of SADC borders.
    Although, I only realise now, being at this pension age, that it is not that easy financially as I had anticipated.
    Passport still on offer ( Have to be carefull, thus only joking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggen View Post
    I would love to live in the Netherlands, unfortunately with a South African passport it is incredibly difficult.
    But my forefathers are from there.
    It’s not my fault they did not keep records in the previous centuries......
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    Quote Originally Posted by REAList View Post
    But my forefathers are from there.
    It’s not my fault they did not keep records in the previous centuries......
    Lol
    Every pale faced South African should be able to return to Europe to claim the land their ancestors lived on....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy Roodbol View Post
    Any offers for my Dutch passport Both my sons, born in SA received them, my wife, No, No, she has to stay there for five years and then pass a test before being considered.
    I have been seriously considering going back, although lived 98% of my life in SA. Only thing keeping me here, is being afraid of making such a big step at my age, pension, thus wont be able to work there anymore, and off course, not being able to get in the car, and hop over a couple of SADC borders.
    Although, I only realise now, being at this pension age, that it is not that easy financially as I had anticipated.
    Passport still on offer ( Have to be carefull, thus only joking)
    Could one go to Holland at a latish age and get involved in a dutch pension scheme., Or pay in to catch up. What test must your wife do.?
    Do you think work in construction such as a plumber is possible. Arent they full of poles.?

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    Ja North Poles, you from South Pole,, no chance unless you marry one of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudleytheplumber View Post
    Ja North Poles, you from South Pole,, no chance unless you marry one of them
    I have a dutch passport.

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    Whats the difference between a battery and a Belgian construction site? A battery only has 2 poles.

    I got that from a Polish friend of mine.
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    Plunger. Facebook has got groups. SA living in Netherlands. About 4 groups. All the info on group. And then the IND website is very good. Myself also NL busy packing up. Wife SA passport. She is getting in on the C-visa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naes-Landy View Post
    Every pale faced South African should be able to return to Europe to claim the land their ancestors lived on....
    I think next time Malema starts spouting off about us Whites going back to Europe, I'm going to write an open letter to him challenging him to use his magic to get around the fact that my Dad could have got an Irish Passport, but because he didn't, I can't.

    I will HAPPILY leave SA to him, then. This constant refrain of "Whitey go home, but pay your taxes" is getting tiresome...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCMostert View Post
    Why do everybody want to go to Australia?
    I can only speak for Kangarooville. Here in the west coast everything seems very fimiliar and everywhere we drive it feels and looks like parts of the Western Cape to me.

    Knysna = Denmark & Wallpole down in the south of Western Australia
    Langebaan = Anywhere north of the Perth CBD next to the coast.
    Malmesbury = Most of the farming areas around Perth
    Franschoek/Stellenbosch = Margaret River. Also the wine region of Western AU
    Klein Karoo = 350km East of Perth where the Outback begins

    Probably also the following reasons :

    Ozzies also like to braai, camp, 4x4, caravan, boat & fish, drink a couple of doppe on the weekend, have an excellent sense of humor.

    Apart from South America, who has the biggest braai culture in the world, I would have to say that ZA is second and then the Ozzies. That alone makes for a very familiar feeling when you are invited for a feed and men standing around a fire or bbq is something we as Saffers are very familiar with.

    We did initially apply for a UK work visa back in 2001. Did not work out. Then we tried Holland 2002. Did not work. Then we tried UAE 2005 and was taken for a ride by relocation agent. Then tried for two years to go to Oz from 2008.

    Looking back now, we are VERY glad none of the others worked out.

    My family and I fit in perfectly right here in Perth. We are home now.
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    It's good to read a positive post about relocating and actually being so positive about a place that you have found that you can call home, well done guys
    PS. What rugby team do you shout for
    What kind of business are you involved in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudleytheplumber View Post
    It's good to read a positive post about relocating and actually being so positive about a place that you have found that you can call home, well done guys
    PS. What rugby team do you shout for
    What kind of business are you involved in?
    He he.... no rugby for me. Last time I played I was in std 8. Was never good at it. Even ran the wrong way.... more than once. Cant bowl either, so cricket is also not something i watch.

    In ZA I did architecture, then came over on a work sponsored visa and worked for 5 years in the estimating department for one of the civil/mining contractors. Did their earthwork calculations..... donkey work.

    Now i have a small business building sliding and swing gates. Tried starting another side business welding up bush braai stands called flipnbbq but only got as far as a website and a product. Now i struggle with how to market it. No clue.

    Yes, I do feel we are lucky. I do know of others who came here and just did not fit in. Two of them went back to ZA.

    I feel bad for them cause it takes a lot of time and money and sacrifice to make the move. But like i tell everyone who is contemplating moving..

    “You can always give it a go and if you dont like it, then return to ZA. The problem is, if you DONT go and try, you will forever wonder if you made the right or wrong choice”
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    jdjoubert is absolutely correct. The reason so many Saffers and Zimbos move to Australia is because the three countries have so much in common. We moved to Brisbane in 2005 and lived there for 10 years, 10 incredibly fruitful and happy years. Our daughters were given opportunities in Oz that Zimbabwe would never have afforded them, both are well qualified, one is a teacher and the other a doctor and they are happily married to wonderful Aussie men. Swambo and I returned to Zim in 2015 on a 5/6 year "walk about" (working holiday), we got tired of looking at kangaroos. We retire next month, our hope is to overland around Southern Africa for 2 years in our Bush Lapa, ship the Bush Lapa off to Australia at the end of that time and travel around Australia for the next year before settling down near our kids in Aussie. Aussie has much to offer, home is wherever you live and yes, we will support the Boks and Proteas till the day we die
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