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    Hi all,

    Looking for a bit of advice as a ‘novice’ Landy owner.

    I currently have a 2008 Defender Puma 2.4, I have done just over 15 000km over the past two years. The first half of my ownership was trouble free but recently I have had problem after problem, hence the low mileage after two years of driving!

    I am contemplating selling my Puma and purchasing a restored Series 3 as the Puma is just becoming too expensive for me to own. I would use it as a daily driver.

    My question is, is this a good decision to make or am I just shifting my issues from one vehicle to another?

    I have heard that the maintenance costs of a Series 3 are far lower than that of my Puma which has to date cost me a completely new engine, 2x turbos and a new vacuum pump!

    Thanks in advance!
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    NO.

    A series 3 is a big PITA as a daily drive, and frankly, compared to a Puma, dangerous to drive in modern traffic.

    I suggest you find a better independent workshop. The work done sounds like somebody was playing you.

    What I would do is swap the Puma for a 300TDi : the 300TDi is agricultural, quite slow, but is still MILES ahead of a Series 3.
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    Op, how much have you spent so far on your current vehicle and what is the condition of the engine currently?

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    I need some context first....

    1. Have you driven a Series 3 before?

    2. How far do you need to drive daily?

    3. How restored is the Series you are looking at (they were very spartanly finished to begin with)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    Op, how much have you spent so far on your current vehicle and what is the condition of the engine currently?
    With the most recent fix, the total cost of repairs (including a recon engine) is about R125k. Condition of my vehicle currently is good, cosmetically a couple of touch ups needed here and there but nothing major. Mechanically, is a bit more difficult to say because of supposed ‘teething’ issues that come with a new engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waynesteele View Post
    I need some context first....

    1. Have you driven a Series 3 before?


    2. How far do you need to drive daily?


    3. How restored is the Series you are looking at (they were very spartanly finished to begin with)?
    1.Yes I have, started my own restoration project of one a couple of years back but sold due to not enough time on my hands.

    2. Not much, at most probably 100km a day not counting the odd ‘far’ trip here and there.

    3. It has about R20k worth of work to do, the shop that I am looking at buying it from is a reputable LR service Centre, both by reviews and according to 4x4 community threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    NO.

    A series 3 is a big PITA as a daily drive, and frankly, compared to a Puma, dangerous to drive in modern traffic.

    I suggest you find a better independent workshop. The work done sounds like somebody was playing you.

    What I would do is swap the Puma for a 300TDi : the 300TDi is agricultural, quite slow, but is still MILES ahead of a Series 3.
    Dangerous in what regard?

    I have contemplated looking at a TDi, I am just worried about the mileage of vehicles I am able to find. It seems to be a needle in a haystack to find one without 200k km+

    I did my research RE workshops and the one I am currently using has been very well recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukegavin View Post
    Hi all,

    Looking for a bit of advice as a ‘novice’ Landy owner.

    I currently have a 2008 Defender Puma 2.4, I have done just over 15 000km over the past two years. The first half of my ownership was trouble free but recently I have had problem after problem, hence the low mileage after two years of driving!

    I am contemplating selling my Puma and purchasing a restored Series 3 as the Puma is just becoming too expensive for me to own. I would use it as a daily driver.

    My question is, is this a good decision to make or am I just shifting my issues from one vehicle to another?

    I have heard that the maintenance costs of a Series 3 are far lower than that of my Puma which has to date cost me a completely new engine, 2x turbos and a new vacuum pump!

    Thanks in advance!
    Luke


    Howzit Luke

    an original Series Landy has Leaf springs & Drum brakes all round.
    any defender or (90/110) has Coils & disc brakes all round.

    A series is great if you live on a farm or asmall resort town and use it occasionally.

    I had one. it was fantastic to cruise to the beach and then back home.

    I would love a defender in my warehouse one day.


    Everyone gets fed up with throwing money at their vehicle, but then you will sell and the buyer has a new vehicle from all your work.


    if you really want to change then go to an older tdi defender.
    Don't go to a Series Landy as a daily driver unless you are a romantic or a specialist leaf sprung mechanic or just a little bit crazy.
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    Keep the Puma, you have spend a lot on it and is a much better drive than the series 3. Once you have sold it you will truggle to find another one in simular condition (PUMA).

    Think you need to rebuild your confidence in the Puma and or use a small car for you run a rounds.
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    What about getting the Series and keep the Puma? Best of both worlds? Only if you can.

    To your question: They are just too far apart to compare. I know I wouldn't be able to do a Series as a daily drive. Then what of you want to go on holiday? Drive somewhere out of town? Series won't work for that.

    You have a Puma with a new engine and turbo so you should maybe keep keep it and fit a Madman or similar gauge to keep an eye on things. Only other thing that can wrong now is your gearbox and clutch.

    You still need to spend 20k on the Series and then it still isn't half the car a Puma Defender is with an aircon, an audible radio and comfort.

    I would keep the Puma and fit a Madman or Ultra gauge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukegavin View Post
    Dangerous in what regard?
    Wow, where to begin:

    - drum brakes that need adjustment every month
    - if not adjusted PERFECTLY, the braking force is random and varied between sides, and between axles and sometimes completely non existent
    - some early models didn't even have brake boosters
    - the steering is usually vague and imprecise at best, and downright dodgy if there are ANY worn components between the steering wheel and the road wheels: steering shaft UJs, tie rod ends, draglink ends, steering relay, steering box.......

    So here's a scenario: you're off to work, you're coming down a hill, and Mr Muppet in his VW TSi does a lane change in front of you, cutting your following distance to 1 car length and then he hits his ABS brakes.
    You hit the brakes, nothing happens, you pump again, now the adrenaline has kicked in, and suddenly you have great brake force.......on the right front wheel ONLY: car swerves to the right into oncoming traffic, but the steering is vague and lags behind your input and suddenly you're all over the road in a 2 ton roller-coaster.

    Not many good ends to that scenario.

    Been there, done that. Not something you want without excellent insurance, med-aid, and a standby set of clean undies........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer-X View Post
    Howzit Luke
    an original Series Landy has Leaf springs & Drum brakes all round.
    any defender or (90/110) has Coils & disc brakes all round.
    A series is great if you live on a farm or asmall resort town and use it occasionally.
    I had one. it was fantastic to cruise to the beach and then back home.
    I would love a defender in my warehouse one day.
    Everyone gets fed up with throwing money at their vehicle, but then you will sell and the buyer has a new vehicle from all your work.
    if you really want to change then go to an older tdi defender.
    Don't go to a Series Landy as a daily driver unless you are a romantic or a specialist leaf sprung mechanic or just a little bit crazy.
    What he said. Even the early One Ten and Nineties had a brake booster, cross-over brake system and disks in front WHICH WORKED.

    If you want a Series3, upgrade the front brakes to disks, add a booster if needed, and install a Defender cross-over master cylinder (which is needed for disks anyway). Between R10k and R15k for the conversion. I have a thread somewhere in my S2 brake upgrade.
    Then go power steering and discard the steering relay box. There are several interweb sources to do that.
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    I often use my series 88" for daily drive, nothing wrong with it, standard small drums all round I can't remember when last I adjusted them and brakes are fine (I top up gearbox oil more often).
    Speed is an issue 80km/h is about max, never bothered to work it out but fuel consumption is heavy (2.25 petrol).
    Lack of seatbelts is a bit "dangerous " but I love it and wouldn't swap it for a Defender.

    I run it open top and often windscreen down, (summer it gets a canvas tilt for sun and rain)so it has a certain charm smelling the smells of the road, with a proper roof I'm not sure it'd be as charming, but I love it and the many smiles and waves you get from people in their tin cans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukegavin View Post
    With the most recent fix, the total cost of repairs (including a recon engine) is about R125k. Condition of my vehicle currently is good, cosmetically a couple of touch ups needed here and there but nothing major. Mechanically, is a bit more difficult to say because of supposed ‘teething’ issues that come with a new engine.
    I know that feeling well, don't worry many many forum members have been there, I can imagine how gatvol you may be feeling. But don't be that guy that fixes up something really nicely and then sells it after all the effort without seeing the advantage of that time and expense.

    You need to have a logical realistic look at the vehicles condition, maybe do that in conjunction with your mechanic and get a solid idea of the vehicles actual current state and any potential future expenses and then make a decision from there. Flushing money down the drain is just part and parcel of vehicle ownership but you may find that after everything is said and done you have a solid vehicle on your hands and it wouldn't make sense to sell or alternatively that now is a great time to bail and get a Toyota

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    I have both, Puma and Series 3.

    I normally drive my Series on weekends then the Puma to work and back. Every Monday morning, i have a new appreciation for the Puma. It feels like a limo compared to the leaf springs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudeG View Post
    I have both, Puma and Series 3.

    I normally drive my Series on weekends then the Puma to work and back. Every Monday morning, i have a new appreciation for the Puma. It feels like a limo compared to the leaf springs!
    exactly

    Extended daily driving in a standard Series Landy is not the most comfortable thing to do, and I drive an unladen Tata Xenon 1 tonner every day....there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a Puma and a Series Landy.

    But each to their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    exactly

    Extended daily driving in a standard Series Landy is not the most comfortable thing to do, and I drive an unladen Tata Xenon 1 tonner every day....there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a Puma and a Series Landy.

    But each to their own.
    Plus the turning circle of a bus ,drum brakes all round ,non assisted steering and the inability to go faster than 110km per hour unless the wind and the gradient were in your favour.Great fun though ......
    I had a Series 2A pickup years ago when we were still allowed to drive on the beach in KZN.
    Nice simple vehicle though which was unlikely to leave you stranded in the sticks.

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