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    I have the opportunity to trade in my 2x4 with diff lock 2016 Ranger for a new model. I have two options, anothe manula box or an auto box. I've never driven a 4x4 auto box vehicle off road. What do the forum members think? Manula or auto?

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    Auto for me 😀👍

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    Iíve just done a kaokoland trip with my new auto Isuzu. Absolutely amazing !!! Donít know how good the autoboxes of the other makes are, but the one on the Isuzu certainly gets my vote.

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    Auto (2.4 hilux)

    Maybe I am just getting old and lazy but love the auto

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    Auto. Not only offroad but for every day driving as well. Manual have very few advantages over auto
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    Taxi gaan ry n Auto en Manual dan besluit jy wat werk vir jou.
    Eks n Manual ou het nou weer gesien daar in die woestyn dit werk vir my.

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    I have owned auto 4x4`s. Nothing beats a large capacity engine with manual box and low ratios crawling.
    4X4`s with auto boxes and low range are fine. I have seen a few 4x4`s cooking auto boxes in serious 4x4 conditions when not equipped with low range.
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    Large capacity petrol: auto
    Small capacity petrol or any diesel: manual
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    I would guess that it would very much depend on the auto. I have a manual amarok that works fine for me. That being said the auto on the amarock seems to be very well received, apart from the idiotic "too-tall" reverse gear.

    I think the ratios have been very well chosen for the 2ltr/ZF 8Speed box. The older d4d era hiluxes seem to have a very primitive gearbox, and there seem to be mixed reviews about the newer ones. My old landy Disco Tdi and the TD5 that followed it were great as autos when lightly loaded. As soon as they needed to work hard (towing and heavily loaded), the gap between 3 and 4th gear was just too big, so you were either screaming along in 3rd or battling to move in forth.

    I think this is why the newer 6/7/8 and even 10speed autos are so good.

    I would say that in general the auto boxes are worth serious consideration and are very easy to use off road. I think this new Nissan Navara with 7sp auto and High-low range looks like a good bet, but not 100% sure about the engine as there seems to be some discussion about its longevity. I have a perhaps, irrational suspicion of Nissan Turbo Diesels and also their parts pricing, otherwise I would be giving it a serious look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi View Post
    I have the opportunity to trade in my 2x4 with diff lock 2016 Ranger for a new model. I have two options, anothe manula box or an auto box. I've never driven a 4x4 auto box vehicle off road. What do the forum members think? Manula or auto?

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    Go for the auto. Seeing as you have the 4x2 I assume there wont be any major 4x4 ing being done that will cook the box. Also in day to day the auto just makes everything easier. Just note that the auto is heavier on juice than the manual
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    I have/had both. Most of the time auto is great, but in my opinion in tricky conditions like very slow rock crawling, you actually have better control in a manual. Sand driving and especially dune climbing an auto is better, but as Grips says, overheating can be a problem. Not really a right or wrong I think. Its about personal preferences.
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    I agree manual is better off road in tricky conditions, but in general auto is good enough.
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    I am lucky. I've got an Auto 4.8 Patrol, and a manual 4.5 Patrol. The auto is fantastic, but I think it depends very much on the use case.

    When touring, I prefer my manual - there is much less to go wrong. And if something does, the vehicle can be towed long distances, it can be push started and similar. etc. Not that it is a lot of fun push starting a little over 3 Tonnes...

    On a Bots trip a year or two ago, we would have had to have the truck come back on a flat bed if we'd taken the auto. Drove 500-odd kilos with virtually no electrics at all. And this is one of the reasons I will never get rid of my 4.5. I love it too much.

    But again, I've often been told I'm a luddite because I like solid axels and less electrics.

    Anyways, get the one that works for you and the purpose you are getting it for.

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    Beware of the auto boxes! Once you go there its very difficult to go back to a manual.

    Auto's are good for everything except maybe the most difficult/technical sections on a trail. (But the Americans wouldn't agree with that statement )

    I find auto boxes very relaxing to drive.

    At your age I am sure you are not doing a lot of grade 5 trails any more
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    Take a look at the big guns of 4x4'ing in Australia, for example - 4wD Action or whatever they're called. The one or two of them with automatic transmissions fly over technical obstacles where the guys with manual transmissions have to work so much harder. They're both equally skilled, but an automatic takes a bit of your footwork and thinking over for you.

    That said, manual is still fun, but automatic makes life (for the most part, unless you want to do something very specific perhaps) way easier.

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    No offence, but at your age (even at my age) auto would be my choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC Polokwane View Post
    Beware of the auto boxes! Once you go there its very difficult to go back to a manual.

    Auto's are good for everything except maybe the most difficult/technical sections on a trail. (But the Americans wouldn't agree with that statement )

    I find auto boxes very relaxing to drive.

    At your age I am sure you are not doing a lot of grade 5 trails any more
    The reason why the Yanks will not degree is because of their aftermarket establishment.
    They built auto boxes for specific applications like crawling or drag racing.
    You buy torque converters over the counter with different stall speeds. The Yanks are sorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    You buy torque converters over the counter with different stall speeds. The Yanks are sorted.
    That is intersting. Thanks for sharing.
    My car has a much higher stall speed TC than for instance the Pajeros a had previously. The Pajero has quite a long low range, so comparison when crawling under load is quite difficult.
    I'm trying to get my head around what is preferred. I imagine a low stall speed is better for crawling, because of a more direct link between your right foot's wish and execution at the wheels.
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    Also consider who will drive the vehicle if the main driver becomes incapacitated
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