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    Default Re: Auto vs manual in off road conditions...

    Quote Originally Posted by peter bee View Post
    a few years ago manual, today, only one choice auto.
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    Come and drive my 2019 Jimny Auto off-road, I think you will change your mind.
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    Luckily not my decision. One gets autoboxes and one gets autoboxes. Learn how to drive it well, in addition one can add an additional oil cooler for the autobox should it be needed or if possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saxj View Post
    Come and drive my 2019 Jimny Auto off-road, I think you will change your mind.
    Defending you here, I did the course at Bass Lake. Drove the manual and auto Jimny's back to back. The instructor could do stuff that would scare the most hardcore guys. Very capable and the auto was a pleasure
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    Auto boxes are so good now that manual really is a waste of time
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    Quick question for the posters on this thread with auto boxes? I am just curios please tell us which extreme trails you have done.

    Trails like Baboons. I do believe that Baboons were done by many auto`s.

    Sorry I am just trying to get a picture of on what scale the auto lovers 4x4.

    Please do not get me wrong auto`s make very nice daily drives.
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    Will auto boxes allow you to rock your wheels out of a hole, you know where you go forward and then when wheel travels up the hole you're in until it starts to lose momentum that you quickly throw into reverse and use the backwards momentum to get further up the rear of the hole you're in and then when you're losing the momentum backwards that you throw into first forward gear and are now hopefully so far up the back slope of the hole that the wheel is in that the forward moment will now be enough to get you out?

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    In 7 years of off-roading I have never had to do the “rocking” thing so to me it’s a moot point.
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    I use the rocking technique a lot, it often gets you out of where you would otherwise need recovery. If you have never needed recovery then that makes it moot again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bex View Post
    I use the rocking technique a lot, it often gets you out of where you would otherwise need recovery. If you have never needed recovery then that makes it moot again.
    That’s because you have a manual box no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
    In 7 years of off-roading I have never had to do the “rocking” thing so to me it’s a moot point.
    That’s because you have an auto box no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    Quick question for the posters on this thread with auto boxes? I am just curios please tell us which extreme trails you have done.

    Trails like Baboons. I do believe that Baboons were done by many auto`s.

    Sorry I am just trying to get a picture of on what scale the auto lovers 4x4.

    Please do not get me wrong auto`s make very nice daily drives.
    Huh, apart from just about every JKU Rubicon, D3, D4, and half a dozen others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtG View Post
    In 7 years of off-roading I have never had to do the “rocking” thing so to me it’s a moot point.
    One guy that really uses an auto offroad on serious stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Huh, apart from just about every JKU Rubicon, D3, D4, and half a dozen others.
    Fluffy have you done something like Baboons in a 4x4 with auto box?
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    In Canada and Oz, Auto just about outsells manual, and todays boxes are great improvements and getting better all the time.
    The D MAX auto proved to be a winner on many Aussie expeditions


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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFROAD ADDICT View Post
    In Canada and Oz, Auto just about outsells manual, and todays boxes are great improvements and getting better all the time.
    The D MAX auto proved to be a winner on many Aussie expeditions
    The Ausies have good after market oils coolers, not sure what is available in SA. They have kits for the ranger and honestly that is the first "upgrade" that I will do when I get an auto. I saw how quickly an autobox can go pear-shaped if abused.

    One may get away a few times , but it will nail you if used incorrectly sometime down the line. When you smell wood chips burning, stop and cool down, replace oils asap.

    We have many auto in the dunes and doing the Meob and Lüderitz/Walvis routes with no problems. Do a few heavy sand routes with hard tires in high range and see what happens.... I personal had to rescue my BIL with a blown autobox/converter at pelican point, well he made it half-way.

    My Landy and Cruiser does not come in auto, but had to upgrade my clutch in the V8 Cruiser. There are a lot of forces at play here.

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    Lots of posters state how good auto`s are offroad. As an owner of an Auto 4x4 I do not argue this.
    There is a huge difference in using an auto as an overlander or on the odd 4x4 trail and then claim its is superior.

    I would love to hear about experiences using auto`s in extreme stuff like grade 4 and 5 trails.

    I have done a Luderitz Walvis trip with an auto no sweat. Had the very same auto in more tricky stuff and the tranny light came on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    That’s because you have a manual box no.
    Actually no, I am more on the Auto side in this, In this case I am talking from the perspective of having rescued a lot of tourists that get stuck, then dig for hours to get out before walking km's in the sun to get help.

    They ALWAYS expect me to tow them out but most of the time I get into the Hyunadi i10, Ford Fugly-something with what apear to be 2" wheels, mitsu ASX, DC 4x4 hilux and even a BMW 740, etc etc, some of them autos, and usually manage to rock them out in seconds.

    My point is that 1.Rocking as a powerfull tool, if you don't know it it could be worth looking into. 2.Autoboxes can also do the rocking trick in sand, you just do longer slower rocks. 3. The rocking technique can be used without going quickly between forward and reverse, you first rock forward and let momentum take you back , then go forward again the moment the momentum stops. If you are dug into sand you do this a couple of times and them switch to reverse and do the same.

    Back to the Auto vs Manual debate, I prefer Autos in bigger vehicles and Manual in smaller vehicles. Manual in small vehicles not because they are better, but because there is more fun to be had.

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    One of the biggest killers of Auto boxes is oil Temp and cooking the oil that result in Trans failure most have a oil cooler in the front which is fine for driving when you have air flow over it, but 4x4 you don't get much flow and the Viscus or elect fan pull is not the best as the fans have to pull air through radiator, Condenser and then up front the trans cooler, so there is a restriction of air being sucked through

    i have a 8 row cooler up front and then a 2nd oil cooler under Landy protected by steal plate with its own fan that comes on at 78'C that way have air cooling cooler when 4x4ing
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    I have guided autos through my trail , and on difficult technical climbs where you have to climb onto a boulder and even 1st gear low range seems too fast the auto needs to be revved more and when it then start to climb it goes too fast and the foot gets lifted and it drops back so they have to start again.

    The same occurs when you have to climb over something while on a steep downhill slope, it is a bit scary as it seems a bot out of control.

    The older Landrovers and the FJ Cruizer seems to respond differently, I think the difference is in the torque converter or gear ratio, maybe they are built to handle these situations. In these cases I am usualy guiding so it is an objective opinion, but only an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    That’s because you have an auto box no.
    Nope, it’s because I never got stuck in such a situation where the rocking action would have helped.
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