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    "lots of tests on different fridges". You sound like a used car salesman. So a Dometic uses nearly double the amount of amps than a NL or Engel?

    Dometic's yearly revenue for 2018 was 26 billion rand ( google) . You would think they are capable of building a fridge that uses the same energy as competitors ?

    Show me the tests, in the pub section, so I can take it with a pinch of salt and tequila...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan Lubbe View Post
    We are manufactures of dual battery systems and therefore did lots of tests on the different fridges and there battery usage. NL, SNOMASTER AND ENGEL have the same consumption but Waeco has about a 40% more battery usage. To give you a practical example, NL, SM AND ENGEL gave us 32 hours on a specific battery and Waeco gave us 22 hours on that exact battery. Quality wise the Waeco is good. Waeco is lately Dometic, the Waeco name is gone.

    Your last sentence is a bet confusing. Are you saying that the Waeco/Dometic brand is good quality, but uses more power?

    TBH that would not surprise me, depending on conditions. Dometic's main market is truckers/campers/RVS etc people who are not necessarily short of power for more than a day or two. I'm very happy with mine, but the lid is just a piece of plastic. Like an esky, the other brands seems to invest more in the natural cooling capacity of the fridge.

    Guess it depends of your usage.
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    Did you document your tests, I would like to see the findings.

    For example, the CF50 Waeco and the CFX50 are two different animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiksilver View Post
    Your last sentence is a bet confusing. Are you saying that the Waeco/Dometic brand is good quality, but uses more power?

    TBH that would not surprise me, depending on conditions. Dometic's main market is truckers/campers/RVS etc people who are not necessarily short of power for more than a day or two. I'm very happy with mine, but the lid is just a piece of plastic. Like an esky, the other brands seems to invest more in the natural cooling capacity of the fridge.

    Guess it depends of your usage.
    "but the lid is just a piece of plastic."

    Maybe that's what makes the difference.

    National Luna's isolation is between 42 - 60mm

    Snomaster is between 55 - 70mm

    In Africa's heat isolation makes a huge difference.

    I couldn't find any specs on Dometic or Engel isolation size, maybe someone can help?
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    Lusted for a Landy but the Pajero was sexier and bigger in the right departments, just like my Missus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
    With all else being equal a camping fridge's power efficiency comes down to a power efficient compressor and good isolation.

    I believe that with the advantages made in technology most high-end fridge compressors are very efficient/equal.

    That brings us back to isolation.

    I would like to compare this but I can not find specs on Engel and Dometic.

    Snomaster offers fridges with 55mm, 60mm and 70mm isolation

    National Luna offers fridges with 42mm and 60mm

    Not sure about Engel and Dometic?

    Assuming that all manufacturers use the same/best form of isolation material it would be unfair to compare the consumption of a fridge with 42mm isolation to a fridge with 70mm isolation. I believe that the higher the ambient temp the more unfair it becomes.

    Maybe it comes down to application and then compromise between bulkiness vs weight vs isolation.

    If you want light weight then you will have to settle for plastic, less isolation and higher consumption. This is sometimes also the cheaper option.

    If you want to save power you will have to settle for bulky and heavy.

    That's why some manufactures offer different isolation sizes/models.

    The best comparison would be by price. (Apples vs Apples) Which fridge give you the most space and best consumption for your money.
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    We had a 70 L SnoMaster dual, it was abused, dropped, banged you name it (the outside looked bad, had dents and a hole in it) .
    Travel 44 000 km on real bad roads before it started acting up. Big compartment worked as it should, the smaller one ran at -18C only (you can adjust it as you like it stayed on -18C).
    Took it in for repairs at SnoMaster and was advised that they can repair but would not be able to give a warranty/guarantee on it due to the insides being not in a good condition - rather buy a demo model at a very attractive price. Showed pipes were out of there clips/holders, brackets broken, wiring were chaffed and shorted out. They will have to replace all wiring.

    So bought a 65 L SnoMaster dual at a very good price and they kept the old one (it travels in the back of the bakkie). We use one compartment as freezer or swap around as needed, on long trips both are used as freezer.
    We also have a 40 L SnoMaster that resides in the BL Kewer doing duty as fridge only - been going for quite a long time.

    Price compared with value very good and aftermarket service excellent.

    There are basic no bad brand names on the market, they all have sorted them self out in the last few years.
    Just think that the price of some of the bigger brands are a bit steep and they do not supply a travel blanket and baskets as standard - this makes them very expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan Lubbe View Post
    We are manufactures of dual battery systems and therefore did lots of tests on the different fridges and there battery usage. NL, SNOMASTER AND ENGEL have the same consumption but Waeco has about a 40% more battery usage. To give you a practical example, NL, SM AND ENGEL gave us 32 hours on a specific battery and Waeco gave us 22 hours on that exact battery. Quality wise the Waeco is good. Waeco is lately Dometic, the Waeco name is gone.
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    "lots of tests on different fridges". You sound like a used car salesman. So a Dometic uses nearly double the amount of amps than a NL or Engel?

    Dometic's yearly revenue for 2018 was 26 billion rand ( google) . You would think they are capable of building a fridge that uses the same energy as competitors ?

    Show me the tests, in the pub section, so I can take it with a pinch of salt and tequila...
    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
    Did you document your tests, I would like to see the findings.

    For example, the CF50 Waeco and the CFX50 are two different animals.
    The only reason for questioning that I can see is the fact that you must own the Waeco or Dometic brand and feel threatened by the findings Johan is in dual battery systems not used cars or fridges, why would he come here and lie? I can also fault his results, the new Snomaster has their own compressor and it uses less power than the Danfoss used by most other brands but in fairness they probably tested a Danfoss onethat would have given him similar results to the other brands.

    Very important point is the insulation, as mentioned the Snomaster has the thickest of the lot but even that helps diddly if you constantly open the fridge. In the end Johan's post was a good comparison as it gave a good overview of performance of some brands and I am sure they were tested at the same temps. Run your fridge at - 18 and I guarantee you you will not get 18hr never mind 32.
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    I really don't get the negativity towards Johan's testing.

    There is LOADS of info on the web about the Dometic/Waeco using more power than other brands, and taking longer to reach the set temperature. That's just how it is - does't make the Dometic a bad fridge.

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    Here is a link to my garage test of my Waeco CF50 and NL Weekender 50l.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan Lubbe View Post
    We are manufactures of dual battery systems and therefore did lots of tests on the different fridges and there battery usage. NL, SNOMASTER AND ENGEL have the same consumption but Waeco has about a 40% more battery usage. To give you a practical example, NL, SM AND ENGEL gave us 32 hours on a specific battery and Waeco gave us 22 hours on that exact battery. Quality wise the Waeco is good. Waeco is lately Dometic, the Waeco name is gone.

    HI Johan,
    If you tested a Waeco, it must have been a relatively old fridge. Have you tested the new Dometic CFX range? (Remember there is a big difference between the CF range and the CFX range)

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