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    Default Re: Leasure Wheels article Ama V6 vs X Class 350d

    I'm a big Benz fan, but that thing aint no mercedes. Full Stop.

    Renault / nissan / with a merc badge... pffft...
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    If they have the gear ratios wrong the output figures will misread.

    If the torque converter was slipping the gearing is effectively lower than advertised and the machine will readout a higher figure.


    Both make ample power. Go and test drive them if you are in the market, and buy the one that tickles your fancy. Why are people so mesmerised by the size of their ....... power figures?

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    ....but then there's no argument. If it's aimed at the snob market, the merc will win every time. If the lady of the house have a choice, guess what she'll pick.......for the same reason that the Gelandewagen wins all 4x4 competitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkie View Post
    ....but then there's no argument. If it's aimed at the snob market, the merc will win every time. If the lady of the house have a choice, guess what she'll pick.......for the same reason that the Gelandewagen wins all 4x4 competitions.
    No argument there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkie View Post
    ... If it's aimed at the snob market, ...
    Who's trolling now?
    If you want a relatively luxurious vehicle with lots of loading space and that can also drive you to places a normal sedan or station wagon cannot, these are perfect. Way better than buying a Land Cruiser bakkie to drive around the city.
    I am sure when bakkies started to come out with >120 kW engines, people also claimed that it was excessive and more than what anyone would need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkie View Post
    ....but then there's no argument. If it's aimed at the snob market, the merc will win every time. If the lady of the house have a choice, guess what she'll pick.......for the same reason that the Gelandewagen wins all 4x4 competitions.
    Funny Enough, my wife will pick the Amarok. Told me the other day she saw the X-class, Her comment was (Watse ding is dit die? Dis lelik)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAJ View Post
    I'm a big Benz fan, but that thing aint no mercedes. Full Stop.

    Renault / nissan / with a merc badge... pffft...
    I think this pretty much sums it up. Gooi daai man 'n Bell's
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanB View Post
    Who's trolling now?
    Not at all. Stating my honest opinion......and it's only my opinion. Nothing more.
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    The last time I gave my opinion about the X Class on this here forum, I had a very angry phone call from MBSA.

    So I shall desist. I'll have the Volla, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkie View Post
    Not at all. Stating my honest opinion......and it's only my opinion. Nothing more.
    Oom Sakkie jy mors jou asem. It is a race to who get his kids to school first type of vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    ... a race to who get his kids to school first type of vehicle.

    Have you driven over a Ford lately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    If they have the gear ratios wrong the output figures will misread.

    If the torque converter was slipping the gearing is effectively lower than advertised and the machine will readout a higher figure.


    Both make ample power. Go and test drive them if you are in the market, and buy the one that tickles your fancy. Why are people so mesmerised by the size of their ....... power figures?
    Don't agree with your statement. The dyno looks at power delivered at the wheels directly related to engine speed as far as I know. The dyno should be plugged in at the car to read the engine rpm straight from there, not via some gear ratio calculation, because then tyres etc and wheel measurements can throw it off... So the torque and speed at the wheel on the dyno should be used to calculate the power, and those values plotted against the real engine speed vallues...

    Everybody seems to miss the fact that the amarok although rated at 165kw overboosts to 180kw in certain gears, I think 3rd and 4th. And this explains the whole story... Apart from that the VW drivetrain may just be a lot better in terms of losses than the MB, adding to the fact that the MB may be down tuned intentionally without it being stated in the specs.

    Much like the navara's of which many are found to not delivering the power they advertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillemT View Post
    Don't agree with your statement. The dyno looks at power delivered at the wheels directly related to engine speed as far as I know. The dyno should be plugged in at the car to read the engine rpm straight from there, not via some gear ratio calculation, because then tyres etc and wheel measurements can throw it off... So the torque and speed at the wheel on the dyno should be used to calculate the power, and those values plotted against the real engine speed vallues...

    Everybody seems to miss the fact that the amarok although rated at 165kw overboosts to 180kw in certain gears, I think 3rd and 4th. And this explains the whole story... Apart from that the VW drivetrain may just be a lot better in terms of losses than the MB, adding to the fact that the MB may be down tuned intentionally without it being stated in the specs.

    Much like the navara's of which many are found to not delivering the power they advertise.
    3000rpm in 4th with slip from torque converter and...
    3000rpm in 3rd with torque converter locked....


    May yield the same effective gearing and wheel speed but the readings will differ due to loss from the slip.

    Modern dynos can factor this in if they have the correct ratios and the vehicle is dyno'd in the specced gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    3000rpm in 4th with slip from torque converter and...
    3000rpm in 3rd with torque converter locked....


    May yield the same effective gearing and wheel speed but the readings will differ due to loss from the slip.

    Modern dynos can factor this in if they have the correct ratios and the vehicle is dyno'd in the specced gear.
    Ok might have misunderstood your first post.

    But the torque converter really shouldn’t be slipping at 3000rpm i would think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillemT View Post
    Ok might have misunderstood your first post.

    But the torque converter really shouldn’t be slipping at 3000rpm i would think...
    Not sure of the amarok 8 speed but my touareg has the 6 speed and in third gear if you accelerate hard it will slip in third up to about 3200rpm and then lock up. It then stays locked through 4th, 5th and 6th.

    If the ATF gets too hot the ecu will lock it more often in the lower gears to get the temp down.

    In Sport mode on the gearbox the gears are also held longer and the converter stays locked more often in lower gears.

    Anyway : I stand by my original point. Who cares about the numbers. Go and drive both and see which one gives you the fizz. Simple. I doubt we chose our wives on numbers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    ...
    Anyway : I stand by my original point. Who cares about the numbers. Go and drive both and see which one gives you the fizz. ..
    True, but we cannot have endless forum debates on the forum about which car gives the most joy. (And then some will have to admit they actually like the looks of white Hiluxes )

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    .... I doubt we chose our wives on numbers....
    Well...
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    I have seen more X-classes in Stellenbosch than new 3.0 D-maxes excluding KB's of late. But then you go out to the farm and that quickly changes over to Isuzu Hilux and Rangers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1ex View Post
    I have seen more X-classes in Stellenbosch than new 3.0 D-maxes excluding KB's of late. But then you go out to the farm and that quickly changes over to Isuzu Hilux and Rangers...

    I highlighted the context of your post... should explain it all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    In the latest Leisure wheels article Hannes Grobler tests the 2 vehicles on a Dyno. 165kw Amarok V6 made 20HP more on the dyno than the 190Kw X class. Mercedes being optimistic with their figures or VW again being conservative?

    I have said it before, and will say it again, there is no way that the V6 Amarok is making only 165kw. I drove a V6 Amarok, and it was markedly quicker than my wife's ex V6 Touareg. Sure, the Amarok is a bit lighter, but not enough for it to be quicker. The GLE 350D my wife drive now, is quite a lot slower than a V6 Amarok.

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